How to prevent blobs

Jump back to quoted post26 Mar 2015, 12:55 PMpigsoup

i guess you mean b4 when you say by far superior indirect fire and i agree about demo, but what other much stronger support weapons?

soviet just simply does not have an AOE suppression platform, M2HB is nice, needs support like HMG42.

Jump back to quoted post26 Mar 2015, 16:01 PMAladdin

what support weapons? maxim, 50cal., mortars, AT guns (Ost pak40 is good but OKW's rocketen is garbage), etc. and not only B4 btw!Katusha is great for its price and punishes blob hard, priest is great against buildings and even ML20 is devastating against building and if only one shot lands it can kill a whole army (specially because of this stupid mechanics where all ur troops gather in one small point sometimes, ...

Jump back to quoted post26 Mar 2015, 15:37 PMAlexzandvar

The Maxim is currently the most durable and easy to use MG in the game, and the 82mm mortar's vet ability is excellent.

Soviets have the best blob counters in the game, not really much contest there. Axis doesn't have anything like the ISU or B4.

Jump back to quoted post26 Mar 2015, 16:56 PMpigsoup

one question. i just want to know. do you guys think allies blobs are as much of a problem as axis blob?

Jump back to quoted post26 Mar 2015, 16:56 PMpigsoup

one question. i just want to know. do you guys think allies blobs are as much of a problem as axis blob?

Jump back to quoted post26 Mar 2015, 16:56 PMpigsoup

one question. i just want to know. do you guys think allies blobs are as much of a problem as axis blob?

Jump back to quoted post26 Mar 2015, 17:08 PMAladdin

yes, because if you are a good allies player, your opponent blobing means his defeat.

Jump back to quoted post26 Mar 2015, 18:44 PMdrChengele

Yes, if you are vastly more skilled than your opponent, then you can defeat him regardless of the tactics he chooses. We knew that. Thank you.

Jesulin beat some Obers once, holy crap guys, I suppose that means they are not overpowered either.

Jump back to quoted post26 Mar 2015, 18:47 PMAlexzandvar

Obers are bullshit, but OKW blobs are stupid easy to deal with as Soviets. Not so much as USF.

Jump back to quoted post26 Mar 2015, 16:56 PMpigsoup

one question. i just want to know. do you guys think allies blobs are as much of a problem as axis blob?

Jump back to quoted post26 Mar 2015, 18:58 PMdrChengele

My problem with blobs is - they are not what this game is supposed to be. This is a game of terrain, flanking, and maneuver, with MG suppression mechanic EXPLICITLY designed (in coh1) so there is a cost effective counter to blobs. In theory.

This "infantry ball of doom" approach leaves a sour taste in my mouth. It is as if I was playing... Starcraft. I have to wash my hands and disinfect the room after playing versus a blobber before I stop feeling dirty.

Note, I am not arguing against massed infantry charges. Concentration of troops in a charge should be a valid tactic in some cases. For example, people can blob conscripts. See how far that gets you.

With Soviets, yes, you have your demo charges, your Kats, your B4... but all that is really awfully situational. Blob counters are binary. Either you catch his blob with one or these, in which case you obliterate him, or you miss / he doesn't go over your mines / demos, in which case the blob will outgun everything you have and force you off where ever the blob is at the moment.

Jump back to quoted post26 Mar 2015, 19:23 PMAlexzandvar

You have more than just those 3, shocks rip enemy infantry to shreds, cons can soak up punishment, the maxim is easy to use and is much more mobile than the MG42, precision strike is amazing for attacking defensive positions and HQ's after an army retreats, the T34 is great for crushing because OKW has no snares outside of Fallsch, the mines are cheap, you also have excellent call in abilities like incendiary artillery.

Soviets have wealth of ways to deal with blobbers because you have so many squad wipetastic abilities and weapons, even the ZiS only has 10 less pen than a Pak40 and can use a barrage to wipe out blobs.

Jump back to quoted post26 Mar 2015, 20:12 PMJHeartless

Pfuse...mines.

Remember in Vanilla Ostheer players would bemoan not having 30 Muni spammable multipurpose mines?

OKW has them...never used...because Shrek.

Jump back to quoted post26 Mar 2015, 20:43 PMAlexzandvar

lol, getting the Panzerfuss AT nade to work is horrible, it doesn't even follow outside the range like the other nades do.

OKW doesn't use mines often because you need to get shreks out, and the mines are still expensive in a muni starved faction (early to mid game). And the larger Allied squads make mine insta wipes less likely.

Jump back to quoted post26 Mar 2015, 21:10 PMWingZero

Why not pick the scavenge doctrine if you are muni starved, you know how USF always need P-47 for heavy armors.

Jump back to quoted post26 Mar 2015, 20:43 PMAlexzandvar

lol, getting the Panzerfuss AT nade to work is horrible, it doesn't even follow outside the range like the other nades do.

OKW doesn't use mines often because you need to get shreks out, and the mines are still expensive in a muni starved faction (early to mid game). And the larger Allied squads make mine insta wipes less likely.

Jump back to quoted post26 Mar 2015, 22:39 PMJHeartless

Youve been playing to the Ober meta too long. Pfuse AT Rnade works just as bad as the USFs. It follows and everything. Fixed at the same time. There is only one good Rnade that isnt buggy and it belongs to Grens.

OKW doesnt USE mines often. Doesnt mean they dont have them and that they arent a reliable snare. They are 30 muni. With that logic they couldnt use Pfausts either. Except they can they just dont. Its like saying Soviets dont have the Kat because its in T4 and no one uses T4.

Jump back to quoted post26 Mar 2015, 23:24 PMAlexzandvar

Well, people use the Kat a lot, and people use Pfausts a lot, but not as many people use the OKW AT mine because people want to spend muni on other things.

and Pfuse AT nades are still bugged, they were supposed to get fixed the same time USF's did but they still don't work nearly as often as USF's do. It doesn't follow out of range, and THATs if you can get the bloody thing to activate.

Regardless Soviets have a shitload of blob counters, the rest of the factions don't. End of story.

Jump back to quoted post26 Mar 2015, 23:48 PMJHeartless

Except I JUST tested Pfuse. I suggest you do the same

They follow and they bug out JUST as much as USF. I.e. if something causes them to duck for cover...no AT nade...if the Model dies mid animation...no AT nade....if Suppression happens to them in the middle of the anmation no at nade. Just like Rifles.

Jump back to quoted post26 Mar 2015, 23:59 PMAlexzandvar

I never said USF's didn't bug out, my point was Fuss's snare isn't reliable so crushing is a big weakness for OKW.