Assault Grenadiers
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True that and this is why army composition does matter.
One AG will reward you with wins in early engagements and get you more ground then additional gren would, but when you decide to spam them, you'll be heavily punished.
As the game goes on they are replaced by LMG grens and even pgrens if one likes to use them, becoming themselves cappers that will chase off other cappers and force proper response from opposing player.
I believe people complain not only because they don't translate well into the late game, but because spamming them is not effective, there seems to be general rule that says "if I can't spam it, it sucks" stuck in players heads.
Its not like they are the only infantry like that, as I've said already whole soviet core doesn't scale at all into late game as conscripts are demoted to being walking mines and exp piñatas past 10 minute mark.
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They have no AT capability, they have almost zero durability, and very little damage output even at punching you in the nuts distance.
All in all the only real differences between them and a Pioneer squad is the fifth man, and assault grenades. (upgrades like flamers, minesweeper, etc. excluded.)
Hell Pioneers serve at least 5x the benefit as Assault Grenadiers and I'm certain that a Pioneer with a flamer would still end up deadlier than a Assault Gren squad head-to-head.
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You had to pay 150 munitions (I think) and research Battle Phase 3 to get the Stuka upgrade on the Sd.Kfz 251. It was definitely balanced. What it did was evolve an early-game unit into a late-game unit through upgrades. Basically, scaling.
Thats not really how RTS games work.
Even in best RTS games, early game units are being replaced by late game tech, look at one of my all time fav RTS-WC3, footmen replaced by knights, orcs by taurens and so on.
Even in SC2 you wouldn't be using marines and zerglings after certain time, would you?
Its no different here except for the fact that one army is absolutely forced to use units that become completely irrelevant late game.
If you preserved your AGs, just use them for capping, they'll beat all other capping squads effortlessly.
And your example is flawed(just like it was flawed in coh1), you had late game unit with a price of early game one-if that is not the definition of imbalance, then I don't know what it.
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That's why i want STG44 for the AssGrens. There could be the requirement to unlock Battlephase 2 before you are able to give the STG's to them.
They would be overlapping Panz Grens too much then I think. Like somebody else wrote before me. Maybe they are fine. But they can only really be used effectively in close quarters village maps lacking stone walls. Maybe that is the intention.
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Yes, assualt grenadiers dont scale. They aren't supposed to. Just like conscripts. You get extra early game power but less late game power.
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My friend I mentioned earlier who uses Assault Grenadiers often said that they beat PPSh conscripts. Is that true? I wasn't paying attention during the game.
I regularly use PPSh cons.
In my experience, PPSh cons murder Agrens (which logically doesn't make much sense, given who has the more automatic weapons...)
Could be the way I use them, I always lob a molotov on top of them if I can and Ura in as close as possible and focus fire.
I don't fear Agrens when I have PPSh cons.
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Cons PPSH - 7.841/0.8/0.099*3+2.989/1.521/0.734*3= 32.49/6.963/2.499
it depends on vet, position & luck.
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- PPSH Cons are advantaged at long range, so they can stand still maintaining full accuracy, waiting while AssGerms are closing in
I think that is the reasons.
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