Ostheer - MG42

Jump back to quoted post17 Feb 2015, 21:50 PMdpfarce

I am honestly baffled that there are people who can defend the current mechanic.

1. MG42 in heavy cover
2. RiflemAn (SINGULAR) running across neutral cover to mg42
3. Rifleman throws a grenade at mg42
4. Mg42 loses the gunner
5. Mg42 takes 50 years to change the gunner
6. Rifleman snipes the Gunner over and over again and wipes the squad.


NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT 1 MG VS 9382 RIFLEMEN. We don't like how ONE RIFLEMAN SQUAD can run face-first into an mg42 and kill it with a grenade.

Jump back to quoted post17 Feb 2015, 21:52 PMLemonJuice

show me a replay or recreate a scenario where a single rifleman can run across neutral cover at an mg42 in green, throw a grenade, and wipe the whole squad using small arms.

Jump back to quoted post17 Feb 2015, 22:45 PMiceman

Add a smoke grenade to the mix and you get the MG42 squad wipe, "that was easy", Also, shock troops can do this with ease.

Jump back to quoted post17 Feb 2015, 23:50 PMLemonJuice

as soon as you see the smoke grenade animation you should be relocating your mg42 instead of leaving it there

Jump back to quoted post18 Feb 2015, 00:25 AMelchino7

Requires too much micro.

Squad formation and spacing should be a start on "fixing" mgs.

Jump back to quoted post17 Feb 2015, 23:50 PMLemonJuice

as soon as you see the smoke grenade animation you should be relocating your mg42 instead of leaving it there

Jump back to quoted post17 Feb 2015, 23:50 PMLemonJuice

as soon as you see the smoke grenade animation you should be relocating your mg42 instead of leaving it [\quote]


So retreat and lose map control, or move to another position, which takes a second to pack up and move, then reposition and second to setup, but ofcourse the mg42 squad is being charged and then wiped out during repositioning or during setup... still a MG42 squad wipe or lose map control

Jump back to quoted post18 Feb 2015, 00:34 AMnee

I think a useful tweak is the unit gives an audible notification of a smoke grenade being thrown, ie "Smoke! Ve can't see for schit!". We already have flank/ grenade notifications.
Of course I can't imagine Relic doing to all that trouble to add one additional voiceline, unless of course there's some residual file for just that hidden somewhere.

Jump back to quoted post18 Feb 2015, 00:37 AMiceman

So retreat and lose map control, or move to another position, which takes a second to pack up and move, then reposition and second to setup, but ofcourse the mg42 squad is being charged and then wiped out during repositioning or during setup... still a MG42 squad wipe or lose map control

Jump back to quoted post18 Feb 2015, 00:57 AMLemonJuice

the mg42 crew will say 'grenade' like a frag is being thrown at them if a smoke grenade lands near them, atleast for american smoke grenades.



in an actual game youll have AT LEAST one unit supporting the mg42. that one unit will constantly be shooting at the advancing squad, while taking minimal damage since the enemy squad is moving.

in some cases, an enemy squad will be suppressed before the smoke grenade lands, and that gives you plenty of time to step back, and reposition your mg42. in the case you have multiple mg42s, you can reface one mg42 to cover for the other as your original mg42 repositions.

dont forget that smoke costs munitions and is basically countered by micro or two mg42s.

Jump back to quoted post18 Feb 2015, 01:05 AMiceman

Oh so now lets mix it up and add supporting troops, so then add another rifleman , how add some vehicles, or something or something else..... this does not justify a 1 rifleman or shock troop to take out an mg42 with out support, you alos say two shock troops or two rifleman, again doesnt justify

Jump back to quoted post18 Feb 2015, 01:07 AMLemonJuice

once again, your original claim was that a rifleman squad in neutral cover can run straight into an mg42 in green, throw a grenade, and wipe it with small arms. this is so wrong its hilarious.

Jump back to quoted post18 Feb 2015, 01:10 AMAladdin

The thing is that allies have BY FAR better MGs in the game, BUT they also have the counter to mgs which is SMOKE, whereas axis don't have smoke ability for the infantry.

That's what makes the encounter of Ost and USF even harder since despite USF's superior inf vs Ost, Ost's MG42 becomes useless with the smoke ability of the riflemen.

P.S. that's not a fair game if you just have to sit down and pray/micro two MGs to get away with the rifle's smokes. You def lose to a player with the same skill level even if you micro the best

Jump back to quoted post18 Feb 2015, 01:12 AMiceman

Whats hilarios is i didnt make that claim, i said put a smoke grenade in the mix... easy for rifleman/shock troop to win

Jump back to quoted post18 Feb 2015, 01:16 AMLemonJuice

how is it not fair? you basically force a retreat for free, make the enemy player use munitions, and gain territory every time you properly micro your machineguns and suppress enemy squads. if you dont like to micro machineguns due to smoke just build grenadiers and mortars.

Jump back to quoted post17 Feb 2015, 18:11 PM__deleted__

I should not even get into these sort of arguments, but thats BS. MG34/42 were pretty much without parallel in their day and have set the conceptual standard for GPMGs. This applies both from a production/enduser standpoint.

Jump back to quoted post18 Feb 2015, 00:33 AMBrachiaraidos

Responding to enemy stratergy too much micro.

Thinking about sensible things to do with troops too much micro.

Plz new german unit MG-40,000 that fires 40mm rounds in cone size of map also see through smoke and terrain and kill tanks because Krupp