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Lend-Lease fuel drop and OKW base AA defences

15 Feb 2015, 23:22 PM
#21
avatar of ThoseDeafMutes

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The base defences being Flak AA was always stupid, just replace them with ostheer MGs.

The Schwer HQ is more complicated to change. AA gun, instant infantry pin with long range, significant chance to penetrate medium tanks? Ugh.
16 Feb 2015, 23:05 PM
#22
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The base defences being Flak AA was always stupid, just replace them with ostheer MGs.

The Schwer HQ is more complicated to change. AA gun, instant infantry pin with long range, significant chance to penetrate medium tanks? Ugh.


I think Shwer should get range reduced. Really annoying with a squad gets supressed becouse one model moved away into that things range. Breaks the game.
17 Feb 2015, 00:34 AM
#23
avatar of ElSlayer

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I think Shwer should get range reduced. Really annoying with a squad gets supressed becouse one model moved away into that things range. Breaks the game.

That is issue about your micro, not schwer. You still can walk with one model into it's range, no matter how far it shots.

IMO Schwer is fine (at least in 4v4). I always look on it as an ultimate challenge to stay long enough under attacks of blob to bring that thing down. It is really interesting fight.

I'm OK even with Schwer AA capabilities. I just against base AA defences when doctrine have plane that starts from enemy base sector.

Please, no "Schwer nerf because it kills my infantry" theme in this thread. Keep it on topic.
17 Feb 2015, 00:35 AM
#24
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this goes in hand with the need to make ALL aircraft paths player targeted rather than have the ai select them. It would signiciantly help the air meta game- help with air planes crushing infantry, etc, etc.
17 Feb 2015, 00:57 AM
#25
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this goes in hand with the need to make ALL aircraft paths player targeted rather than have the ai select them. It would signiciantly help the air meta game- help with air planes crushing infantry, etc, etc.

Uh, think about it from the other side. You can target your aircraft on that Medic HQ (which is not far from Schwerer HQ) in order to make somewhat controllabe plane crash.
17 Feb 2015, 01:02 AM
#26
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It's funny because the M4C Sherman for cost is the best Sherman in the game.
17 Feb 2015, 01:11 AM
#27
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It's funny because the M4C Sherman for cost is the best Sherman in the game.


Agreed. Thats just odd...
17 Feb 2015, 06:34 AM
#28
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It's funny because the M4C Sherman for cost is the best Sherman in the game.

Ez8 is better.
17 Feb 2015, 06:38 AM
#29
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Ez8 is better.


It's funny because the M4C Sherman for cost is the best Sherman in the game.
17 Feb 2015, 06:43 AM
#30
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M4C has crazy reload speed. :S

Planes still get shot down by free OKW defenses, though.
17 Feb 2015, 06:57 AM
#31
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It's funny because the M4C Sherman for cost is the best Sherman in the game.



Ez8 is better.

Yes, I've read your post carefully.
Ez8 is better for cost IMO.
17 Feb 2015, 07:11 AM
#32
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Yes, I've read your post carefully.
Ez8 is better for cost IMO.


It has better DPS and only slightly less pen than a Easy Eight, but costs less.
17 Feb 2015, 10:22 AM
#33
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It has better DPS and only slightly less pen than a Easy Eight, but costs less.

Have chance to not get pen by schreks for 20 MP and 10 FU?
20 Feb 2015, 04:33 AM
#34
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Uh, think about it from the other side. You can target your aircraft on that Medic HQ (which is not far from Schwerer HQ) in order to make somewhat controllabe plane crash.


Youd also not position your medic HQ behind your AA gun as to not create that scenario.

Its a lot better than a plane crashing on your medic HQ by pure random.
20 Feb 2015, 08:13 AM
#35
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It has better DPS and only slightly less pen than a Easy Eight, but costs less.


The penetration difference is actually pretty significant, going from a 97%-86% chance to penetrate a P4 vs 78%-67% chance for the M4C. This also dosn't include the extra armor the E8 has (215 v 160) all for only 20 more MP and 10 FU.
20 Feb 2015, 08:33 AM
#36
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Youd also not position your medic HQ behind your AA gun as to not create that scenario.

Its a lot better than a plane crashing on your medic HQ by pure random.


that's pretty much impossible. draw a line from the flakHQ to the med truck; that's what my plane will fly. the only RNG there is when it get's shot down and whether or not it falls into the truck (no idea if the fall distance is random or not). only way to prevent that would be to put the med truck way away from the flakHQ but then you don't have that close to impenetrable strong point.
20 Feb 2015, 08:46 AM
#37
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Youd also not position your medic HQ behind your AA gun as to not create that scenario.

Its a lot better than a plane crashing on your medic HQ by pure random.

Controllable flight where player can somehow affect crashing
or
uncontrollable flight with totally random crashing place?
A lot better?

You know, positioning medic HQ in your base sector also helps with it, but that is not an option.
20 Feb 2015, 08:49 AM
#38
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?

placing trucks in the base is an option but the alternatives are so strong almost no one does it anymore, certainly not in team games.
20 Feb 2015, 08:52 AM
#39
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?

placing trucks in the base is an option but the alternatives are so strong almost no one does it anymore, certainly not in team games.

That is exactly what I've meant by saying "not an option" :)
20 Feb 2015, 13:18 PM
#40
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Fix this idiotism.
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