IS-2 and Panther

Jump back to quoted post20 Jan 2015, 08:21 AMIron Emperor

Dear fellow COHfans,

Lately, next to all the other balance problems, I have the feeling that the IS-2, King Tiger and Panther are too overpowered. Not by gun or speed, but by armour. It's just plain stupid. I had a multiple games (unfortunatly I don't have the replays) where my P-4s tried attack the rear and bounced 7 times, before it penetrated once.

Jump back to quoted post20 Jan 2015, 23:20 PMMr. Someguy

CoH1's pathing was just as bad, yet people often praise CoH1's pathing in comparison to CoH2. It took me awhile to realise until I compared them, and I noticed CoH1 vehicles rotated much faster, and this is why people going between CoH1 and CoH2 thought CoH1 vehicles pathed better. They didn't, they just turned around faster so mistakes were less noticeable.

Jump back to quoted post20 Jan 2015, 09:02 AMIron Emperor

When I see a IS-2, I must 100% go for T4 for the panther, since the rest of the tanks are completely garden to it (Ostheer). OKW is completely different, because you have the King Tiger and the Panther to counter it.

Consider the AT guns also as completely useless to the high amount of armour. While you go AT-guns with USF or Sovs vs a KT or a Panther it's also completely laughable. Once I went in a 4v4 for fun with 6 USF AT guns, to see how strong the KT's armour was. 4 hits in approxamatly 18 shots. RNG is a part of it, but only hitting 22,2% of your shots is no counter.

Jump back to quoted post20 Jan 2015, 23:36 PMKatitof

Actually, its because maps were much more flat and plain. You didn't had half as many details/cover ect that would impact pathing.

Jump back to quoted post21 Jan 2015, 00:57 AMLichtbringer

Tanks have "Sidearmor". What people actually mean by saying they should get "Sidearmor" is that the Sidearmor should be weaker...

If a tank has a 50% chance to be penetrated from the front, and 100% from the rear... when the enemy hits "sidearmor" from 90° it has a 75% chance to penetrate. I don't see how that is not Sidearmor?

Jump back to quoted post20 Jan 2015, 23:36 PMKatitof

Actually, its because maps were much more flat and plain. You didn't had half as many details/cover ect that would impact pathing.

Jump back to quoted post21 Jan 2015, 01:05 AMAlexzandvar

Considering the current meta is IS2 spam which sucks even harder for Ostheer than it does for OKW, I wouldn't mind a nice buff of Ostheer armor.

Jump back to quoted post21 Jan 2015, 02:07 AMQueenRatchet123

its worse for OKW. paks end heavy tanks pretty good. plus all the tiger commanders

Jump back to quoted post21 Jan 2015, 01:01 AMTNrg

There's only front and rear armor in this game. Half of the tank is front armor, half is rear. Even from the sides.

http://static1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110729013732/companyofheroes/en/images/5/57/Penetration_Tiger-Shermans.jpg

The green half (even from the sides) is front armor. And the red half, even the sides, is rear armor. Yes, you read it right.

Jump back to quoted post21 Jan 2015, 02:34 AMCieZ

It's better for OKW. They can field Panthers easily, Ost cannot.

The Tiger gets completely dominated by the Is-2 at all ranges.

The ZiS has a higher chance to penetrate frontal armor of Tiger than PaK has to penetrate front of Is2.

Is-2 vs Tiger is not a winning fight for Ostheer.

Jump back to quoted post21 Jan 2015, 02:37 AMLichtbringer

Thats what I am saying. Still, when shooting at a Tank from the front, you have a chance to penetrate, when shooting at the back of a tank you have a chance to penetrate, and when shooting at the side of a tank you have a different chance to penetrate. So for all intends and purposes, it has "Sidearmor".

Jump back to quoted post21 Jan 2015, 02:47 AMQueenRatchet123

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Jump back to quoted post21 Jan 2015, 05:07 AMAlexzandvar

What Ostheer needs is HEAT rounds, give them a commander that has it or hell, just make it a upgrade from one of the tier buildings. Would go a long way to making P4's have some impact and allowing something to be done about IS2 spam.

Jump back to quoted post21 Jan 2015, 03:33 AMWhySooSerious

Yeah they are hard to kill with AT. Paks have a hard time penetrating the IS2 like other factions against heavy armor since the IS2 armor got its armor buffed. I dream of their armor being lowered but in return they get more health so that my at guns will penetrate them but not kill them so quickly. But that is just a dream of mine I don't believe it would be good for the game.