giving soviets access to more of their tiers would solve a whole hell of a lot of problems and allow for the bullshit units, like snipers, to be balanced a lot more easily. if one wants to make it fancy you can give it some mechanic where building buildings reduces the fuel cost of further buildings by a small amount or something to make them special-snowflake-unique.
also the 34/76 just flat out needs a buff to be worth 100 fuel. i would suggest armour or aoe (more non-lethal aoe, as everything should have)
soviet t3 and t4 cost issues....
14 Jan 2015, 03:49 AM
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14 Jan 2015, 03:51 AM
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Of course how could i forget. i believe the KT even has the i win button installed to prevent unnecessary continuation of the game. oh wait it isnt and 2 su85 will turn it into scrap. you are over exaggerating everything . while im not going to deny that it needs a rotation buff so thats it more useful in CC maps when it used correctly and on the right map it is one of the most potent TD's in the game
Of course how could i forget. i believe the Su85's even has the i win button installed to prevent unnecessary continuation of the game. oh wait it isnt and shrek blobs will turn it into scrap. you are over exaggerating everything . while im not going to deny that it needs a rotation buff so thats it more useful in CC maps when it used correctly and on the right map it isnt as potent as it needs to be.
There is no recording in all WW2 history of a piat actually knocking off a vehicle. Yes, it was THAT bad.
14 Jan 2015, 04:09 AM
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the sherman is not that good
Nah it just has Smoke, HE rounds, and an HMG upgrade. But no, it's not that good.
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14 Jan 2015, 05:24 AM
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it's great against infantry and a solid med tank against other tanks.
14 Jan 2015, 06:17 AM
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Permanently Bannedit's great against infantry and a solid med tank against other tanks.
Its good against infantry. but against tanks. its pretty bad
There is no recording in all WW2 history of a piat actually knocking off a vehicle. Yes, it was THAT bad.
14 Jan 2015, 09:08 AM
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it's not hugely different from the IV. meds don't fare well against heavies in general though. still, 5 shermans will run over anything short of an equal number of IVs or Vs.
14 Jan 2015, 10:33 AM
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Um... SU85 need lots of RNG luck to penetrate KT. KT is a bouncing machine if you are facing anything less than an IS2.
You always need the rng god against heavies including the kv1 and is2 . but the rapid fire of 2 su85's will very quickly turn into scrap. also the is2 has no chance in hell to win from a kt in a direct confrontation. 2 su85 will nearly always win.
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14 Jan 2015, 10:39 AM
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Nah it just has Smoke, HE rounds, and an HMG upgrade. But no, it's not that good.
so it has better ai who gives a damn. people are complaining about its at abilities and in that regard the sherman, p4 and t-34 are not that different. but yes the sherman is currently the best stock medium tank in the game. but its the p4 thats currently the worst stock tank at the moment. slightly better stats for 25% more fuel (only 5 fuel less then the 85). So whining about how bad the t-34 is while i see it in quite a few games while the p4 and the overall ostheer tier 3 is in a far worse state is biased to say the least.
horrida flamma bella
14 Jan 2015, 16:37 PM
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Tech costs for both vanilla factions really need to be adjusted.
Wehrmacht teching should be like this:
100MP + reduced fuel cost for BPs // 100MP + increased fuel costs for buildings
This would make it easier to reach higher BPs (more accessible FHT or easier skipping of T3 for example) and it would also reduce the huge MP drain.
Soviet T3 and T4 cost should be reduced to 100FU. Once you've built one of them, fuel cost for the other one gets reduced to ~50-70FU. That would obviously make it easier to get both buildings.
Wehrmacht teching should be like this:
100MP + reduced fuel cost for BPs // 100MP + increased fuel costs for buildings
This would make it easier to reach higher BPs (more accessible FHT or easier skipping of T3 for example) and it would also reduce the huge MP drain.
Soviet T3 and T4 cost should be reduced to 100FU. Once you've built one of them, fuel cost for the other one gets reduced to ~50-70FU. That would obviously make it easier to get both buildings.
14 Jan 2015, 18:01 PM
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slightly better stats for 25% more fuel (only 5 fuel less then the 85).
It's +50mp and +15f. It's cost -10f and -30mp to account for them being double. See Advance Warfare for it's price.
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I advocate for swapping BP and structures to begin with. Said that couple of months before "14 Jul 2014"
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14 Jan 2015, 18:13 PM
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m ive played hundreds of games with the SU85. Youre going to have to be really lucky to push back a KT with just two Vet 0 SU85s. If they could, as you stated, then more players would use other commanders. Right now, you have to micro the crap out of the SU85 while the death blobs of schrecks comes charging at you, basically invalidating your SU85.
I think the Pz4 is actually a great medium. IT gets owned by Jackson, but the Pz4 is in a nice spot if you compare to Sherman and T34/76
I think the Pz4 is actually a great medium. IT gets owned by Jackson, but the Pz4 is in a nice spot if you compare to Sherman and T34/76
Axis doesn't have the best AT options in the game
14 Jan 2015, 21:42 PM
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so it has better ai who gives a damn. people are complaining about its at abilities and in that regard the sherman, p4 and t-34 are not that different. but yes the sherman is currently the best stock medium tank in the game. but its the p4 thats currently the worst stock tank at the moment. slightly better stats for 25% more fuel (only 5 fuel less then the 85). So whining about how bad the t-34 is while i see it in quite a few games while the p4 and the overall ostheer tier 3 is in a far worse state is biased to say the least.
Everyone gives a damn, the T-34 isn't good at AI or AT, it can't even challenge its counterpart, the Panzer IV, on equal footing. Saying the Panzer IV is the worst stock is a total joke though, it has the strongest hull Machine Gun, the best armour, the best veterancy, and the best penetration-over-range of any stock medium tank. I don't know where you keep getting your stats from, but the Panzer IV is 20 less fuel than the T-34/85 (Advanced Warfare) or M4A3E8, 125 vs 145. You see the T-34/76 more because it's their only Tank and they have no Inf AT, while even Ostheer and OKW have Panthers and Panzerschrecks. The Panzer IV is the best stock medium tank, the problem is the M36 invalidates medium tanks and the Axis Meta is to rush Panthers and Tigers.
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15 Jan 2015, 00:01 AM
#113
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T-34/76 is just massively under preforming, the sherman might not be able to pen anything higher than a P4 but at least it has HE, decent vet buffs and crew repair going for it.
Hell when playing OKW I have no trouble forcing off a lone 76 with a single shrek squad, the main gun doesn't hit shit 90% of the time and the MG's do little more than tickle vet infantry.
Hell when playing OKW I have no trouble forcing off a lone 76 with a single shrek squad, the main gun doesn't hit shit 90% of the time and the MG's do little more than tickle vet infantry.
15 Jan 2015, 00:23 AM
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The t-34/76 is easily the worst medium atm. It's cheaper, yes... It's also statistically complete trash. All non doctrinal mediums (not including the Panther) are pretty weak atm but the 76 takes the cake for complete garbo award.
15 Jan 2015, 00:41 AM
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Everyone gives a damn, the T-34 isn't good at AI or AT, it can't even challenge its counterpart, the Panzer IV, on equal footing. Saying the Panzer IV is the worst stock is a total joke though, it has the strongest hull Machine Gun, the best armour, the best veterancy, and the best penetration-over-range of any stock medium tank.
It better fucking be considering the cost
I don't know where you keep getting your stats from, but the Panzer IV is 20 less fuel than the T-34/85 (Advanced Warfare) or M4A3E8, 125 vs 145.
This would only be a valid argument if the advanced warfare was actually used. but most soviets go for the significantly better guard motor. 85 is 130 fuel end of story.
You see the T-34/76 more because it's their only Tank and they have no Inf AT, while even Ostheer and OKW have Panthers and Panzerschrecks. The Panzer IV is the best stock medium tank, the problem is the M36 invalidates medium tanks and the Axis Meta is to rush Panthers and Tigers.
soviet callins invalidates ost tier 3 as well. A p4 has absolutely no chance in hell to win against kv1's 85's or soviet shermans and even get me started about the is. thats the reason ost safe for the tiger. and lol at the panther in 1vs1.
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15 Jan 2015, 00:43 AM
#116
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m ive played hundreds of games with the SU85.
No you have not. and i grow tired of your lies or your inability to properly support your su85's with ai to remove shreks.
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15 Jan 2015, 00:43 AM
#117
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A p4 has absolutely no chance in hell to win against kv1's
The PTRS's are fine as they are. Whenever i'm up against Guard Infantry, I always have to be careful with my vehicles or the Guards will completely destroy them. Good range, good damage and fairly cheap; if anything, the PTRS should nerfed since it's ridiculously good for the price. Even in the hands of Conscripts, the PTRS's are extremely potent.
15 Jan 2015, 01:15 AM
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It better fucking be considering the cost
So you agree with my point that the T-34 excels at nothing and needs to be buffed so it can be useful like the Sherman and Panzer IV. The only thing the T-34/76 is currently good for is being spammed with Soviet Industry in a 3v3 or 4v4, and even then it's not great because the manpower costs limit you.
This would only be a valid argument if the advanced warfare was actually used. but most soviets go for the significantly better guard motor. 85 is 130 fuel end of story.
I was going to make a post comparing the PG Panzerschreck discount (60 per schreck rather than 90) to the Bazooka, but that falls flat because the Bazooka actually is underperforming. Well shit.
Soviet callins invalidates ost tier 3 as well. A p4 has absolutely no chance in hell to win against kv1's 85's or soviet shermans and even get me started about the is. thats the reason ost safe for the tiger. and lol at the panther in 1vs1.
No, you can still fight the T-34/85 or Easy Eight with the Panzer IV, you're just disadvantaged. Disadvantaged like how the T-34/76 is disadvantaged against the Panzer IV. In fact the Panzer IV is less disadvantaged than that because you have Infantry AT weapons. Also the OKW gets Panthers in 1v1 almost every game.
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15 Jan 2015, 01:33 AM
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Relic said they are very excited about the new stuff they are doing, and won't even bother told you what it is. I hope some late-war unit for soviet/ostheer to bring them up to date.
First off all. Tripwire so gud, 10 ammo for a whole dead squad ? + sight.
Vehicle capture point can win games, blitzkrieg save a tank. Fair Deal i think
15 Jan 2015, 02:00 AM
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No you have not. and i grow tired of your lies or your inability to properly support your su85's with ai to remove shreks.
why would i lie
Axis doesn't have the best AT options in the game
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