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soviet t3 and t4 cost issues....

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10 Jan 2015, 21:56 PM
#61
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See, jaigen not knowing cruzz is just a hard proof that he doesn't even play the game.

How detached from the game and community one have to be to not know stat diggers and patch notes despite being on forums more often then me?

10 Jan 2015, 22:08 PM
#62
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Lol
10 Jan 2015, 23:01 PM
#63
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  • He's Cruzz, he knows the game files better than you.
  • Panzer IV Ausf. G:
    - Scatter: 7.5 x 6.4
    - Reload: 5.3 - 5.7
    - KwK 40
    - MG 34
    - MG 42

    T-34/76 M1943:
    - Scatter: 7.5 x 6.9
    - Reload: 5.2 - 5.8
    - F-34
    - DT
    - N/A NO TURRET


correct my bad. switched the numbers of the 85 and the normal t-34. doesnt matter the p4 and the t-34 are still fine however
10 Jan 2015, 23:37 PM
#64
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Regardless, Soviet stock units are not going to compete against stock OKW anytime soon...
11 Jan 2015, 00:35 AM
#65
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the 34/76 may be appropriately priced for it's AT performance but it's still a completely shit tank. the IV is also lots better against infantry than it now. in the long run the 34/76 will also hemorrhage you fuel because higher level AT is so effective against it. you can't sustain 34/76 spam for the entire game unless your opponent is terrible.
11 Jan 2015, 02:29 AM
#66
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Regardless, Soviet stock units are not going to compete against stock OKW anytime soon...


Its more of an issue that the only tanks you are dedicated TD's. generalist perform poorly against the okw
11 Jan 2015, 02:54 AM
#67
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maxims are actually ok against obers. they're not always a hard counter but they're cost effective when stukas or lusch aren't involved.
11 Jan 2015, 05:35 AM
#68
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Against OKW anything else but call-ins is a waste of resources. Since the vet 5 makes volkgrenadiers immortal and OKW has both good anti-inf and anti-tank infantry they can stall for KT, USF and Soviet suddenly have no late game. I think we can all agree on that OKW is cancer and that they need an overhaul. And yes, teching is too costly for what it does. That goes for Ostheer T4 as well btw. I'm getting really bored at the game at this moment because there are so many strategies that are simply not viable.
11 Jan 2015, 05:43 AM
#69
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I think we can all agree on that OKW is cancer and that they need an overhaul.


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11 Jan 2015, 06:22 AM
#70
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OKW is cancer!!!!!!!!!
11 Jan 2015, 07:52 AM
#71
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The T34 and P4 are good tanks. Everything that's been released since then is just better. :guyokay:
11 Jan 2015, 08:06 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post10 Jan 2015, 00:06 AMKatitof


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11 Jan 2015, 09:55 AM
#73
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It makes no sense that the t34 performs so poorly when compared with the Sherman for the difference of 10 fuel. The t34 needs to be either cheaper or buffed. Likewise the cost of a T70 is a bit too high, I think 65 fuel would be a good price.
11 Jan 2015, 14:08 PM
#74
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It makes no sense that the t34 performs so poorly when compared with the Sherman for the difference of 10 fuel. The t34 needs to be either cheaper or buffed. Likewise the cost of a T70 is a bit too high, I think 65 fuel would be a good price.


the sherman is not that good.
11 Jan 2015, 15:00 PM
#75
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jump backJump back to quoted post11 Jan 2015, 06:22 AMNinjaWJ
OKW is cancer!!!!!!!!!


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11 Jan 2015, 17:24 PM
#76
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Soviet T3 and T4 are just too bare-boned. needs a little love
11 Jan 2015, 17:41 PM
#77
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jump backJump back to quoted post11 Jan 2015, 14:08 PMJaigen


the sherman is not that good.


Self Repair, Smoke Launchers, Instant Crit Repair, HE rounds damn near as good at AI as a Tiger, Radio Net, and MG upgrade. Also comes with Major for non doctrinal overflight, retreat point and crappy offmap.

Yeah I would rather have an expensive ass T34/76 because a Sherman isnt that much better....:facepalm:
11 Jan 2015, 18:04 PM
#78
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Self Repair, Smoke Launchers, Instant Crit Repair, HE rounds damn near as good at AI as a Tiger, Radio Net, and MG upgrade. Also comes with Major for non doctrinal overflight, retreat point and crappy offmap.

Yeah I would rather have an expensive ass T34/76 because a Sherman isnt that much better....:facepalm:


wait a minute their mate. self repair and repair critical applies to all us units. smoke is useful but will not safe you if you are in a bad situation as it has a delay. HE explosives rounds are useful but your in deep shit if you encounter any tank. and the main gun has 0.5 less aoe.

im not going to disagree that the sherman is the better non doctrinal medium tank out their at the moment but its not overwhelmingly better then the t-34 or p4.
11 Jan 2015, 18:53 PM
#79
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Regarding HE: and less scatter.
12 Jan 2015, 23:56 PM
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Both Soviets and Ostheer are very hampered by their high tech costs. The total cost of getting an t70 is just laughable xd compared to anything potent the OKW can field well within the time needed to get the fuel for an t70 let alone a t34.

Everyone always cries about the Soviets players going for the doctrinal t34-85s. Well it is actually the most cost effective solution when considering teching up or getting 2 'decent' tanks for the price of getting a single t34-76 out.

Soviet and Ostheer teching is broken. OKW and USF dominate the teching.
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