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Katitof
16 Dec 2014, 17:40 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Dec 2014, 16:26 PMOZtheWiZARD
Did they change KV-2 recently?
If they didn't then I don't think any buff is required. It used to 2 shoot Panther.
Soviet Industry may need some adjustment though. I don't use it that often so I have no idea.


Last change it got was a handful of nerfs and increasing MP cost by 50% while doing nothing to the mp penalty.

And it used to 3 shot panthers with pathetic penetration chance.
jump backJump back to quoted post25 Nov 2015, 11:09 AM$nuffy
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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Tatatala
16 Dec 2014, 17:47 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Dec 2014, 16:42 PMKreatiir


I love it how this KV2 still misses when it's stationary for 30 secs and also targetting a stationary unit.

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I love how a Panther beats it head on, at any range, without even need to flank it.

#Relogic

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Nuclear Arbitor
17 Dec 2014, 04:45 AM
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the KV-2 has been shit since its accuracy got nerfed. it has a hard time hitting an OKW base building in siege mode, let alone infantry. to make matters worse it's incredibly expensive shit (possibly the most, manpower wise) on a shit doctrine.
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NinjaWJ
17 Dec 2014, 04:53 AM
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it should get buffs or the manpower penalty from selecting the doctrine reduced
jump backJump back to quoted post31 Mar 2015, 15:19 PMAlexzandvar
Axis doesn't have the best AT options in the game
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Alexzandvar
17 Dec 2014, 07:56 AM
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The manpower penalty should be removed from the doctrine all together, the basic soviet infantry scale so poorly to late game that having no elite infantry call in is a giant weakness. It would make more sense to me to change the fuel reduction to a munitions reduction.

On the subject of the KV-2 itself; it should be a lot more powerful for it's cost. Considering the fact a tank being hit by a large artillery piece is going to get messed up even if the shot doesn't penetrate the armor.
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ungodlike
17 Dec 2014, 08:39 AM
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Would be nice if they buffed the KV2 this doctrine back up to a level where it is usable.
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WingZero
17 Dec 2014, 15:34 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Dec 2014, 08:11 AMBartonPL
soviet windustry (ability) must be toggled off and on (no cost of that) so after reaching CP3 soviet player can choose to get normal MP or higher fuel


Why Relic did not make this changes (or any) to the Soviet Industry commander but they made adjustment to Elite Troops? Right now, Industry commander is a huge risk type commander and almost dead due to Shrek blobs.












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TensaiOni
17 Dec 2014, 15:39 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Dec 2014, 17:47 PMTatatala


I love how a Panther beats it head on, at any range, without even need to flank it.

#Relogic



Actually, the Ostheer Panther has about 22% to lose to a KV-2 from the front, if KV-2 is in indirect fire mode.
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rafiki
17 Dec 2014, 15:48 PM
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You just have to go close to the tank. It can't shoot at 0 range. Even so i don't think also KV2 will win against a panther. Or you need to be very lucky because it is not at all accurate.

It is a fun tank but easy to counter
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broodwarjc
17 Dec 2014, 18:03 PM
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KV-2 needs to cost less resources, yes I know Soviet Industry gives a big fuel boost, but it costs over 230 fuel! Which is a lot for a tank with good AI, but questionable AT.
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NinjaWJ
17 Dec 2014, 18:21 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post17 Dec 2014, 18:03 PMbroodwarjc
KV-2 needs to cost less resources, yes I know Soviet Industry gives a big fuel boost, but it costs over 230 fuel! Which is a lot for a tank with good AI, but questionable AT.


230 fuel is okay because by that point of the game, you are probably stockpiling some fuel. However, you will probably only have around ~100 mp per minute. Building the KV-2 for 630 mp is going to clean out your reserves. It basically is a double whammy
jump backJump back to quoted post31 Mar 2015, 15:19 PMAlexzandvar
Axis doesn't have the best AT options in the game
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TensaiOni
17 Dec 2014, 19:29 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post17 Dec 2014, 15:48 PMrafiki
You just have to go close to the tank. It can't shoot at 0 range. Even so i don't think also KV2 will win against a panther. Or you need to be very lucky because it is not at all accurate.

It is a fun tank but easy to counter


Once enemy gets close, just turn off the indirect fire mode.

But really, just use the tank as an artillery piece - behind shot blockers and with spotters so you can use it's range. Or is Stuka now underpowered, because it can be killed by a T-70?

Much bigger problem than the KV-2 (which stats are overall fine) is - which was already mentioned - the whole Soviet Industry doctrine and it's MP gain.
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PanzerErotica
17 Dec 2014, 19:35 PM
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I´d like kv-2 to be more like coh1 stuh42, with a turret (check eastern front mod if you are not sure what I mean). We already have isu-152 which performs the role of a long range howitzer, so this would only make sense. You could remove the long range mode altogether and make it little cheaper in the process, with adjustments to the fire rate as well of course.
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elchino7
17 Dec 2014, 23:04 PM
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Commander never got updated after the overhauling on tank prices and tech.
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And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.

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gman1211
18 Dec 2014, 01:27 AM
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I might be wrong is saying this, but I'm pretty sure that the kv-2 is literally the worst heavy tank you can make.
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braciszek
18 Dec 2014, 02:27 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post17 Dec 2014, 19:29 PMTensaiOni


Once enemy gets close, just turn off the indirect fire mode.


I have managed to kill the darn thing in the time it takes for it to unpack. You can simply walk/drive under its minimum range as well and not be shot by it.

But it is pretty powerful if you make use of its max range against a fortified enemy since its RoF set up is pretty fast.

The main problem at the present is that you have no mp late game and units get extremely hard to come by.
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Strummingbird
18 Dec 2014, 02:29 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post18 Dec 2014, 02:27 AMbraciszek

I have managed to kill the darn thing in the time it takes for it to unpack. You can simply walk/drive under its minimum range as well and not be shot by it.


It no longer has an unpack time iirc.
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NinjaWJ
18 Dec 2014, 02:53 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post18 Dec 2014, 02:29 AMStrummingbird


It no longer has an unpack time iirc.


it is not instant. i tried it out a couple days ago
jump backJump back to quoted post31 Mar 2015, 15:19 PMAlexzandvar
Axis doesn't have the best AT options in the game
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Strummingbird
18 Dec 2014, 03:03 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post18 Dec 2014, 02:53 AMNinjaWJ

it is not instant. i tried it out a couple days ago


How many seconds is it? I'm sure the time is significantly lower than what it was on release.
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NinjaWJ
18 Dec 2014, 05:12 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post18 Dec 2014, 03:03 AMStrummingbird


How many seconds is it? I'm sure the time is significantly lower than what it was on release.


vet 0 it is about 7 seconds
jump backJump back to quoted post31 Mar 2015, 15:19 PMAlexzandvar
Axis doesn't have the best AT options in the game
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