About the B-4

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2014, 18:52 PMmiragefla

Do people even use Stuka dive bomb docs anymore? I haven't seen one in forever.

I think maybe the damage should maybe taper off a little more near the edges.

Main issue is, however, B-4's really the only good static howitzer. The ML-20 suffers from the docs its in which are not particularly great since Soviets rely on call-in tanks, while the Lefh, well, it's the Lefh, it hasn't been that good since its number of shells was dropped with increased cooldown.

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2014, 18:52 PMmiragefla

Do people even use Stuka dive bomb docs anymore? I haven't seen one in forever.

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2014, 19:48 PMSwitzerland

Waaaaaaaaaaat, so walking Stuka that can just Mario kart into range and strike the B4 and back away long before any response (if your clever enough to launch your strike a safe location)that's not a direct counter? I mean technically it's an indirect fire weapon so i guess it's an indirect counter, my mistake.

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2014, 20:09 PMelchino7

You know why this is the only good static artillery on the game? Because the other 2 were nerf with the amount of shells they fired while the B4 remain to shot only 1 powerful shell.

It also use to live on a world where you would have face every single game a double OH. If you combine that with a meta of ISU vs Elephant, it's mostly assure you would have a hard counter to it. You would mostly have a recon and some offmap between the 2 or more teammates.

With the addittion of OKW and the nerf on the Elephant, you are seeing less straight hardcounters, specially in double OKW (Vanilla OKW commanders doesn't have an offmap to destroy it). Take into consideration the medic/repair HQ from OKW and you have some juicy targets to shoot at.

Static artillery lives on a black and white world, where you either have the direct hardcounter or you pray to make a push so powerful that you are able to YOLO your tanks into the enemy base.

PD: if we add that you can cheaply recrew the B4 with lowpopcap after the first shot...

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2014, 19:51 PMWingZero

B4 is perfectly fine. Why do we need to nerf something that is SO inaccurate and relies on dumb luck and opponents micro? Soviets needs some love which they haven't received since last year.

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2014, 19:48 PMSwitzerland

Waaaaaaaaaaat, so walking Stuka that can just Mario kart into range and strike the B4 and back away long before any response (if your clever enough to launch your strike a safe location)that's not a direct counter? I mean technically it's an indirect fire weapon so i guess it's an indirect counter, my mistake.

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2014, 19:42 PMsomenbjorn

A handful of Munition? A handful? It is a vetted ability that costs 90 munitions for a single shot.
If you go heavy with the B-4 that means you don't spend anything on muni for the duration of the game.
It's range, and more importantly the range of which it is effective without precision strike is low, like 110-120.

That being said the tripple veterancy damage buff of 50% makes it a tad over the top.

edit: One shotting Jagdtigers and KTs is perhaps more than a "tad".

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2014, 18:46 PMsneakking

It's damage is a little ridiculous, but there's literally only one doctrine with it, and it's pretty obvious when your opponent is using it...

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2014, 18:49 PMKatitof

If you are having your tanks one shotted across the map, given the amazing B-4 turn speed and shell travel time, well, you might want to consider not sitting with your tanks being immobile for extended periods of time against B-4 user.

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2014, 20:57 PMCardboard Tank

You can´t repair while moving your tanks around... good players will just wait until you repair (you can hear that through the fog of war, or someone uses a recon) or not fire the gun at all to make you nervous about repairing. Thus once a B4 is on the field repairing is way too risky. Versus good opponents its even impossible.

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2014, 19:51 PMsomenbjorn

Sure if it would wipe the B-4 everytime. But it doesn't for the most time. It will decrew it with a good hit. But you can just repair it quickly and recrew it.