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elchino7
30 Oct 2014, 18:38 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post30 Oct 2014, 18:21 PMAchtAchter
Is that really so?

M10:

-higher armour
-higher penetration
-armour piercing rounds
-comes too late (probably biggest problem about it, 5cp would be better)

Puma:

-Higher acceleration.
-Ai capabilites
-smoke
-precision shot


And i would add vision, being able to spot for itself is a huge deal. That means you are effectively using that 50 range.
The "higher armour" is almost meaningless since you are not deflecting too much things besides small arm fire.
Don't get me wrong, the things is really cheap but i wouldn't see with bad eyes if it had the same CP requirements as the Stug-E (6CP).
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AchtAchter
30 Oct 2014, 18:39 PM
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Yes you are right, with smoke the m10 would be much better.

The only thing that bounces of a wolverine is a puma at max range.:D
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Hon3ynuts
30 Oct 2014, 18:51 PM
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The M10 has much better penetration at range 140 to the pumas 80, but since it can't spot for itself it virtually never utilizes this range. At close range Puma has 160 pen to the M10s 180 pen, so not a large difference(more favoring the puma even considering targets), Though i think the pumas stronger simply b/c it can scout for you to avoid at guns and allied infantry support isn't very good.

The M10 is supposed to flank, but it can't do this b/c of its low HP pool when support is availible. Speed is among the best in the game though, but this is no advantage over the equally speedy panther or tanks with blitz at vet 1.


I think The M10 needs more Hp and a dispatch time decrease. This will let you get multiple m10s easier and flank your opponents. At the moment m10s pretty much go on suicide missions whenever there is serious fighting so Hp is what i think they need most.

Edit:also considering puma is 6 cps and they cost the same(plus USF always has less cps) M10 should come at 6 cps IMO
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30 Oct 2014, 18:54 PM
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I also think both of these units could use better accuracy.












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Volsky
30 Oct 2014, 19:13 PM
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You could kite easily in vCoH.

Not so in CoH2, and thus the M10 is blech.
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Arclyte
30 Oct 2014, 19:28 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post30 Oct 2014, 18:21 PMAchtAchter
Is that really so?

M10:

-higher armour
-higher penetration
-armour piercing rounds
-comes too late (probably biggest problem about it, 5cp would be better)

Puma:

-Higher acceleration.
-Ai capabilites
-smoke
-precision shot


this is how you know someone is hopelessly biased
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Omega_Warrior
30 Oct 2014, 19:53 PM
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Doesn't puma have 60 range?
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DakkaIsMagic
30 Oct 2014, 19:58 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post30 Oct 2014, 18:54 PMRomeo
I also think both of these units could use better accuracy.


This, so much this. Gives it more value before its
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AchtAchter
30 Oct 2014, 20:46 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post30 Oct 2014, 18:51 PMHon3ynuts




Especially the US Forces need all the help they can get. Making this unit more reliable would definitely help.
A mode where it could increase it's sight would be super too, maybe decrease it's acceleration while using this mode, giving it a higher sight range so it can utilize it potential.
Call ins should be strong and helping you to form a strategy, right now the m10 seems to be an emergency option - when you can't afford a Jackson.

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this is how you know someone is hopelessly biased


check the thread before you reply with nonsense ;)

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butterfingers158
30 Oct 2014, 20:49 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post30 Oct 2014, 20:46 PMAchtAchter

Call ins should be strong and helping you to form a strategy, right now the m10 seems to be an emergency option - when you can't afford a Jackson.


Well from what I hear it used to be the M10 in American T4 and the Jackson was a call in for Armor Company. Then Relic realized the M10 couldn't hold up so instead of buffing it they just switched it with the Jackson*





*may be an oversimplification, working with second hand knowledge
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frostbite
30 Oct 2014, 20:56 PM
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idk sometimes I use this thing and it does well with tons of micro
lvl 3 u move super fast
good for smashing
use it at range vs p4
great for flanking tigers kt and things that have slow turret or no turret. I like this tank but need to take atleast 1 more hit if it cant get smokes
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30 Oct 2014, 21:01 PM
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If you told me also that armor company is just the commander where they put all the other abilities relic didn't feel like designing to make any sense at all, I would believe you. :)
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What Doth Life?!
30 Oct 2014, 21:38 PM
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I am still hoping we get the M18 Hellcat which had nearly double the top speed of a Panther.
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theblitz6794
30 Oct 2014, 21:55 PM
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I think a few small global buffs would be best. A small HP buff. A small range buff. A small visibility buff. A small accuracy buff. And a slight cost increase perhaps.

I bought vCoH on January 3rd, 2007.
Still missing the days of vCoH 1.71. It had it's issues, like paks sniping 57s, and the strafe didn't work, but overall, it was probably the most balanced time in CoH history.

OF ruined that. CoH 2 is....balanced in a nasty way. Everyone has an equal stockpile of gamebreaking bullshit. USA is full of early game BS while the OKW doesn't get its BS until late game. It's just a question of how badly you exploit the faction's shit and how quickly, after a patch, you discover the gaping holes of bullshit Relic leaves. But either way, it's all BS. The only "BS" in vCoH that was gamechanging was the fast m8 vs a bunker.
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Bulgakov
30 Oct 2014, 22:05 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post30 Oct 2014, 19:28 PMArclyte


this is how you know someone is hopelessly biased



As the pot said to the kettle


Let's keep it constructive
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Napalm
30 Oct 2014, 22:51 PM
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Puma range is better, fyi~

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Omega_Warrior
30 Oct 2014, 23:07 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post30 Oct 2014, 21:55 PMtheblitz6794
I think a few small global buffs would be best. A small HP buff. A small range buff. A small visibility buff. A small accuracy buff. And a slight cost increase perhaps.

I definitely think it can use a range buff. For instance, when facing off against a panther it has 0 advantages that it can exploit. I really don't know why it doesn't have the same global 60 range that almost all tank destroyer units have.

I don't care if they make it cost more. I rather have something that works vs. something that's cheap.
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Katitof
30 Oct 2014, 23:10 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post30 Oct 2014, 22:51 PMNapalm
Puma range is better, fyi~


Both have 50, but Puma got better sight so it actually can benefit from it independently.
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