I won't, for sure. Good bye Jagdtiger. You served das Vaterland well. Part of your legacy will be carried on by Pak43 and the other part by command Panther.
or maybe the elefant. He doesen't get nerfed
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22 Oct 2014, 13:29 PM
#161
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or maybe the elefant. He doesen't get nerfed
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22 Oct 2014, 13:32 PM
#162
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or maybe the elefant. He doesen't get nerfed
Never used it again since it received that range nerf.
BeefSurge wrote:
A lot of people have an image of how they want a faction to play, leading to problems. This is why you have people complaining about lack of Soviet bunkers, why T34/76 sucks, why Cons don't scale, Grens don't get normal grenades, Muricans don't get heavy tank, OKW laser weapons and Die Glock Death Bell, etc.
A lot of people have an image of how they want a faction to play, leading to problems. This is why you have people complaining about lack of Soviet bunkers, why T34/76 sucks, why Cons don't scale, Grens don't get normal grenades, Muricans don't get heavy tank, OKW laser weapons and Die Glock Death Bell, etc.
22 Oct 2014, 13:33 PM
#163
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If you compare Jagdtiger, Elefant & ISU now... The elefant outclasses them!
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22 Oct 2014, 13:37 PM
#164
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Thinking about it now, sorry , but these super units are now totally useless, it's impossible to hit anything with them.
I do agree they needed a big nerf, but i think this is too far.
It's a good thing relic made this beta, and right now, these units are clearly underperforming.
Id rather see them require some actual user input and skill to use, than slightly reduce their effectiveness or whatever.
And to be honest, im so happy about this change. No more Jagd or ISU ridiculousness.
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22 Oct 2014, 13:50 PM
#165
Posts: 1702
Id rather see them require some actual user input and skill to use, than slightly reduce their effectiveness or whatever.
And to be honest, im so happy about this change. No more Jagd or ISU ridiculousness.
Well, this is why this is the beta, i am fairly sure the ISU-152 and jag will receive some adjustments to make them more useful.
22 Oct 2014, 14:02 PM
#166
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Id rather see them require some actual user input and skill to use, than slightly reduce their effectiveness or whatever.
And to be honest, im so happy about this change. No more Jagd or ISU ridiculousness.
Aham, and what about their costs? Why should you spend such a huge amount of resources for something that will create more trouble for you than any other unit and will need alot of babysitting? Why would you do that?
BeefSurge wrote:
A lot of people have an image of how they want a faction to play, leading to problems. This is why you have people complaining about lack of Soviet bunkers, why T34/76 sucks, why Cons don't scale, Grens don't get normal grenades, Muricans don't get heavy tank, OKW laser weapons and Die Glock Death Bell, etc.
A lot of people have an image of how they want a faction to play, leading to problems. This is why you have people complaining about lack of Soviet bunkers, why T34/76 sucks, why Cons don't scale, Grens don't get normal grenades, Muricans don't get heavy tank, OKW laser weapons and Die Glock Death Bell, etc.
22 Oct 2014, 14:07 PM
#167
Posts: 2053
Aham, and what about their costs? Why should you spend such a huge amount of resources for something that will create more trouble for you than any other unit and will need alot of babysitting? Why would you do that?
Price never justifies performance
Edit: Im sure there will be more to it later.
22 Oct 2014, 14:12 PM
#168
Posts: 2280 | Subs: 2
Permanently Bannedplayed a game in beta. put double bars on any unit that coould carry them. It is like i had elite squads running around everywhere. All the squads my opponent had to fight. had double bars. This make USF very playble now.
There is no recording in all WW2 history of a piat actually knocking off a vehicle. Yes, it was THAT bad.
22 Oct 2014, 14:17 PM
#169
Posts: 1702
Also, if the jagtiger and isu-152 stay the same, i predict the isu-152 will still be quite often used.
You can still fairly easily predict infantry movement and oneshot capping squads from afar.
And given the heavy nature of alot of axis tanks, it will still be able to hit the occasional heavy.
And the AT wall will prevent any heavier tank short of maybe the panther of flanking it.
The JT, given the mobily of allied tanks and completely innefective againts infantry, will be forgotten.
Think about it guys, something does indeed need to change.
You can still fairly easily predict infantry movement and oneshot capping squads from afar.
And given the heavy nature of alot of axis tanks, it will still be able to hit the occasional heavy.
And the AT wall will prevent any heavier tank short of maybe the panther of flanking it.
The JT, given the mobily of allied tanks and completely innefective againts infantry, will be forgotten.
Think about it guys, something does indeed need to change.
22 Oct 2014, 14:22 PM
#170
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played a game in beta. put double bars on any unit that coould carry them. It is like i had elite squads running around everywhere. All the squads my opponent had to fight. had double bars. This make USF very playble now.
If you get to fight Fallschirmjager you will be able to fight back now instead of just retreating at first sight.
I had a lot of success with BARs on the games I played, even if I managed to lose I didn't feel like using useless Riflemen.
22 Oct 2014, 14:43 PM
#171
Posts: 2070
Price never justifies performance
Edit: Im sure there will be more to it later.
lol you would be surprised. SO many people on here are like "OMG MY UNIT IS MORE EXPENSIVE IT HAS TO BE BETTER!!!!"
Axis doesn't have the best AT options in the game
22 Oct 2014, 15:02 PM
#172
Posts: 112
and btw i should Always stay tuned on my ISU to fire wtf? this is dump if it it like that there is no auto fire.
22 Oct 2014, 15:03 PM
#173
Posts: 923
Well the JT and ISU have gone from being high-cost - little risk - little micro = High-reward. To High-cost - little risk - high micro = Reward dependent on player actions.
Anything that can be used without tought shouldn't be able to turn a game around.
Anything that can be used without tought shouldn't be able to turn a game around.
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22 Oct 2014, 15:10 PM
#174
1 Posts: 927
I really hope they do something about Company of Callins in the next patch. Keep up the good work Relic!
22 Oct 2014, 15:16 PM
#175
Posts: 170
They should just make you have to rightclick the unit you want to fire on after every shot for JT and ISU. That way it requires some micro to fire each shot but you are pretty sure to hit.
22 Oct 2014, 15:17 PM
#176
Posts: 170
They should just make you have to rightclick the unit you want to fire on after every shot for JT and ISU. That way it requires some micro to fire each shot but you are pretty sure to hit.
22 Oct 2014, 15:54 PM
#177
Posts: 589
They should just make you have to rightclick the unit you want to fire on after every shot for JT and ISU. That way it requires some micro to fire each shot but you are pretty sure to hit.
this sounds within reason.
22 Oct 2014, 18:25 PM
#178
Posts: 42
Read Open Beta Changelog.... Didn't face palm once.
Is it not obvious dumb ass? The word "kill", means that I pull the trigger, the gun goes off and your brain splatter all over the sand. The beach gets bloody and you gets dead.
22 Oct 2014, 20:29 PM
#179
Posts: 1130
Unless A move works with the JT/152 the 152 got a really massive nerf. the jt has always been a very specific tank destroyer and only has to target 10 % of all units on the field while the isu 152 was a general going to fuck everything up in my sight. this requires massive amount of micro skills on the soviet players part to make the most use out of a 152.
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22 Oct 2014, 22:33 PM
#180
Posts: 971
Unless A move works with the JT/152 the 152 got a really massive nerf. the jt has always been a very specific tank destroyer and only has to target 10 % of all units on the field while the isu 152 was a general going to fuck everything up in my sight. this requires massive amount of micro skills on the soviet players part to make the most use out of a 152.
A-move works but only fires the mounted gun.
And yes, the nerf is HUGE but i'm glad that finally the super heavy tanks have been reworked as they were the thing that I hated most of this game.
Just waiting for King Tiger to be changed too, while I can live with IS2 and Tiger being unchanged.
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