Most requested unit in coh2 history...

The most recent poll put us at 47% Yes, 49% No. Not a huge difference, but it was not on your favour.



Which was part of USF's design, just like all factions have 100% fuel income except OKW. The difference is how the armies are compensated, USF's compensation (Crews, AT Infantry, Strong TD) are insufficient to make up for their lack of heavy.

Consider 95% searching Axis, I'd give "47% Yes" as a PASS.

Anyways, I still don't understand what would be wrong with a jumbo... the USF lacks a tank that bounces shells and can take a beating. So... the Jumbo is the perfect compadre by sticking to the USF doctrine of no heavy tanks.

Nothing is wrong with the Jumbo, it's the perfect choice. It's just that some players want USF IS-2 and don't want to settle for anything less.

Consider 95% searching Axis, I'd give "47% Yes" as a PASS.

It's funny, that number gets bigger every time someone posts, yet when I play, it usually doesn't surpass 70%.

that's the only hope we've got, when relic need a free $$$$$$$, they will put this tank...

Make Jackson doctrinal and im fine. Imagine Pershing + Jackson behind = gg

SU85 + IS2 has been possible since vanilla COH2. Or the Panther+Tiger combo. Long range tank destroyer + strong heavy tank. It's only a balance issue if the Pershing is OP. If a pershing was 240-260 fuel it would be extremely expensive to field with a 125 fuel, very fragile TD. There's also the question of AI vs AT power, the Pershing could also be a primarily AT vehicle, meaning it ends up vulnerable to a Pak or infantry based AT strategy, which the Axis is uniquely suited to field given that they have the best infantry AT and the best AT gun (Wehr).

The Pershing doctrine would also possibly be weaker than others early on. No M1919s, no Airborne, no Assault Engineers, maybe a mediocre arty strike. People are saying a Pershing would wreck balance but it is entirely dependent on how it gets implemented. A balanced pershing is 10000% possible in 1v1 context.

In a 2v2 context, it's an even stupider complaint since IS2 + M36 is already in use. Double USF is pathetic in lategame though, and the Pershing would make it theoretically viable (assuming its a decent unit).

If pershing ws in-game. it would be better than panther, but worse than tiger and isu. it would be like 540mp and like 190-210 fuel

Comparing the su85 with Jackson, lol

Comparing the su85 with Jackson, lol

Why not? The SU-85 does more DPS, has more penetration(without HVAP of course), has more health, and can spot for itself. The Jackson has higher damage per shot, speed, and a turret.

SU-85 is hampered by rigid Soviet late game tech meaning T3 for the generalist T34 is usually chosen (or no tech at all), not because it sucks at killing tanks.

Comparing the su85 with Jackson, lol

Yes, it's a powerful TD. It's not as powerful as the Jackson, but then again, it's more fragile and there is no reason to assume the Pershing would be as powerful and well armored as the IS2. Conceptually, combining potent TDs with heavy armor is not something new, even if we only count 1v1s. SU85 + IS2. Konigstiger + Jagdpanzer IV. Why are these things not unbalanced, but a hypothetical heavy tank for USF would be?

If the Jackson were reduced to 160 damage sure, but as it stands Jacksons are just too damaging to be able to stand with another Heavy Tank. They have that damage because USF lacks a Heavy Tank.

Someguyone got it, finally

Personally your thread loses weight instantly by using "most requested", I think the most requested thing is something new and fresh.

To be frank, The USF is currently organized in the very fashion it was. With infantry support tanks and Tank Destroyers in seperate divisions, which they discovered to their horror was a terrible idea up until the very last weeks of conflict this did remain however.

The OKW is also certainly represented in their own way, desperate so much faith was put in tank substitutes like the Jagdpanzer IV, and incredibly rare units in battalion or even individual strength. It was really all that was left of the German units banded together after the last offensive in the east.

Simply put, if this unit was to reappear id be disappointed that a doctrinal unit would be used to solve a problem, game has enough of that already. Also if it did, its late appearance should be represented in CP cost of a similar fashion to that of the Jagdtiger.

I'm a hard sell on wanting more commanders right now, I hope others are too. Also a requested doctrinal unit in a balance thread? Even if it was put in, I sure hope 1 commander isn't going to balance an entire faction.

To be frank, The USF is currently organized in the very fashion it was. With infantry support tanks and Tank Destroyers in seperate divisions, which they discovered to their horror was a terrible idea up until the very last weeks of conflict this did remain however.

This wasn't a bad idea in and of itself, the bad part comes from the fact that our dedicated Tank Destroyer (M10) was unable to reliably take out Panthers and Tigers. We were okay with that because we thought the Panther was a rare Heavy Tank like the Tiger, and were shocked when we encounter large numbers of them. We still managed to get through okay due to our air forces owning the western skies and being a massive help in killing off heavy tanks. The arrival of the M36 Jackson helped as well, because it could take out Panthers and Tigers.

This wasn't a bad idea in and of itself, the bad part comes from the fact that our dedicated Tank Destroyer (M10) was unable to reliably take out Panthers and Tigers. We were okay with that because we thought the Panther was a rare Heavy Tank like the Tiger, and were shocked when we encounter large numbers of them. We still managed to get through okay due to our air forces owning the western skies and being a massive help in killing off heavy tanks. The arrival of the M36 Jackson helped as well, because it could take out Panthers and Tigers.

....but often found itself confounded by Volks with Panzerschreks, the deadly lightweight Puma, not to mention the JagdPanzer....

Some-guy, the point in my particular post was that the USF and OKW are represented as they were (to the level a game can go) in the time period of the conflict, not to start a debate on individual actions. That's how the infinite flame war burns on in these threads. It's easy to be a Wikipedia hammer swinger here so its a futile and silly thing to even attempt.

So to return to the topic, better action could be taken in allowing changes in non doctrinal units, or else we are looking at a future showing two factions both waiting for call ins. Patching a hole with a commander is a bad idea.

Some-guy, the point in my particular post was that the USF and OKW are represented as they were (to the level a game can go) in the time period of the conflict, not to start a debate on individual actions. That's how the infinite flame war burns on in these threads. It's easy to be a Wikipedia hammer swinger here so its a futile and silly thing to even attempt.

So to return to the topic, better action could be taken in allowing changes in non doctrinal units, or else we are looking at a future showing two factions both waiting for call ins. Patching a hole with a commander is a bad idea.

OK. To be serious. I think it may be the opinion of many, that irrespective of whatever historical purpose the (misnamed) OKW may serve, the current Kubel buff in game trumps too much, in combination with the OKW early units - and dem trucks! OKW may be campy, but they are pretty deadly

Absolutely, that's why id rather see changes to exiting units, instead of adding new content to find a place in an ever moving jigsaw puzzle of meta and "balance".

Absolutely, that's why id rather see changes to exiting units, instead of adding new content to find a place in an ever moving jigsaw puzzle of meta and "balance".

Give one faction which have literally no late game a heavy equipment is more suitable. Besides, there's tones of post about adding pershing to the game since Alpha, consider how relic spam those cheap DLCs all over the place, I'd say M26 is highly likely to be added in the game.

No late game? Jackson? Stop using them as meatshields and you will be fine, trust us lol

This wasn't a bad idea in and of itself, the bad part comes from the fact that our dedicated Tank Destroyer (M10) was unable to reliably take out Panthers and Tigers. We were okay with that because we thought the Panther was a rare Heavy Tank like the Tiger, and were shocked when we encounter large numbers of them. We still managed to get through okay due to our air forces owning the western skies and being a massive help in killing off heavy tanks. The arrival of the M36 Jackson helped as well, because it could take out Panthers and Tigers.

It was also compounded by the fact that american commanders felt no need to follow doctrine. If there where spare M10 available they would simply use them in place of shermans. You could hardly blame them, any armored support is better then no armor support.