Kubel counterplay

Jump back to quoted post18 Sep 2014, 07:34 AMStephennJF

I am actually really annoyed with this now. Sturmpio + truck + kubel straight to the cut-off on open maps is impossible to stop and is literally instant win for OKW unless they are stupid as fuck. There is no way to counter this.

Minsk, Langres North and Crossing North (lesser extent) are all extremely difficult to win.

I am done with trying to figure it out as I have tested eveyrthing. The only possible viable options on open cut off maps is:

• Rifle Company - Ensure your vet 1 rifle is the unit that does not get suppressed and you can force the kubel to instantly pick up due to threat of AT nade. Lose this early key engagement and its all but game over.
  
• Mechanized Company - Roll out with the 1CP jeep and attack move as soon as possible into the Kubel before they get a panzershreck (lucky if they don't have one anlready).
  

I am done with this shit now. To many assholes are abusing it, especially the bad mannered people within the community. Hate seeing these numb skulls getting easy wins.

Jump back to quoted post18 Sep 2014, 08:01 AMjajaja

The sad part is, next time they will overnerf the unit and kubel will be useless again

Jump back to quoted post18 Sep 2014, 07:19 AMSarantini

Doesnt the maxim use the bike turning plan?

Jump back to quoted post18 Sep 2014, 08:35 AMEsxile

they not going to do that or they would have done it same patch the ass engineers.

Jump back to quoted post18 Sep 2014, 09:10 AMBulgakov

Yeah, something needs to change in the OKW-US match-up, Kubel is very strong there. On cut-off maps it's a little beast.

But vs Soviets I don't think so. Just before the patch the Soviet-OKW match was very bad for OKW. Flamer M3, snipers trololol. Did just a bit more range on the Kubel change that completely? I don't think so.

M3 is on a fairly even footing, Maxim can't be suppressed + does decent damage and ATG takes 90% of its health.

If they move the damn sov M3 out of T1, I'd say nerf dat Kubel. But while sovs have such a powerful early game vehicle, I think the opposing side should too.

Jump back to quoted post18 Sep 2014, 08:41 AMCruzz

Yes and no, they're in different files but the maxim one is just straight copy and paste from the motorcycle turning plan.

Jump back to quoted post18 Sep 2014, 11:14 AMKatitof

For some unknown to hummanity and completely beyond any logic plan, USF .30 cal uses exactly the same mechanic as maxim.

Apparently USF machinegunners weren't told how to turn around and they believe they have 4 wheels with no reverse. I don't want to insult relic, but how high/stupid/drunk one have to be to mirror .30 cal movement to the one of Maxim instead of MG42/34. I mean... seriously?

Jump back to quoted post18 Sep 2014, 11:58 AMEsxile

ssshhh, they are shy and nice people, do not blame them!

Jump back to quoted post18 Sep 2014, 07:34 AMStephennJF

I am actually really annoyed with this now. Sturmpio + truck + kubel straight to the cut-off on open maps is impossible to stop and is literally instant win for OKW unless they are stupid as fuck. There is no way to counter this.

Minsk, Langres North and Crossing North (lesser extent) are all extremely difficult to win.

I am done with trying to figure it out as I have tested eveyrthing. The only possible viable options on open cut off maps is:

• Rifle Company - Ensure your vet 1 rifle is the unit that does not get suppressed and you can force the kubel to instantly pick up due to threat of AT nade. Lose this early key engagement and its all but game over.
  
• Mechanized Company - Roll out with the 1CP jeep and attack move as soon as possible into the Kubel before they get a panzershreck (lucky if they don't have one anlready).
  

I am done with this shit now. To many assholes are abusing it, especially the bad mannered people within the community. Hate seeing these numb skulls getting easy wins.

Jump back to quoted post18 Sep 2014, 09:10 AMBulgakov

Yeah, something needs to change in the OKW-US match-up, Kubel is very strong there. On cut-off maps it's a little beast.

But vs Soviets I don't think so. Just before the patch the Soviet-OKW match was very bad for OKW. Flamer M3, snipers trololol. Did just a bit more range on the Kubel change that completely? I don't think so.

M3 is on a fairly even footing, Maxim can't be suppressed + does decent damage and ATG takes 90% of its health.

If they move the damn sov M3 out of T1, I'd say nerf dat Kubel. But while sovs have such a powerful early game vehicle, I think the opposing side should too.

Jump back to quoted post18 Sep 2014, 00:14 AMlanciano

The core issue here isnt the kubel its self, its usf unit structure. you notice no has a issue with the kubel when playing as soviets, as there are plenty of options to counter the kubel. USF T1 needs more than just riflemen. Maybe add a scout jeep like coh or move the m20 and put a higher price tag like 35-45 fuel.

Any ways I just think that just being able to build rifles is fucking stupid while your opponent can build a rang of AT, support and Infantry units and this is the core problem in my a pinion

Jump back to quoted post18 Sep 2014, 13:50 PMboxman80

I probably just need to L2P but I have problems with it as Soviets as well - it takes far too much time and usually combined arms of more than one unit to deal with a single Kuble, and that's not including the inevitable SPERM-Pios that are always lurking around it!
I agree though the main issue is the USF's inability to produce anything but the RE and Riflemen. What happened to the scout jeepwith it's 50 cal? Maybe even introduce a new light vehilce there?

Jump back to quoted post18 Sep 2014, 12:31 PMZombieRommel

I knew this was a problem the first game I played after the patch. Kubel is objectively OP in that it costs no fuel, suppresses fast, can rotate to stop flanks, and can reverse out of danger quickly. It has none of the vulnerabilities of regular MGs.

I'd like to get word from a balance dev on when or if Kubel will be adjusted.

Jump back to quoted post18 Sep 2014, 14:54 PMMoerserKarL

it will definitely nerfed I guess, but it takes time to test some options. Makes no sense to increase the fuel cost to 5-10, when the OKW starts already with 40 fuel.