Stormpioneers post patch

Jump back to quoted post10 Sep 2014, 14:33 PMvoltardark

They are still a powerful unit, but now they will lose the fight at long range vs rifles and less often vs conscripts. That's normal since they are armed with smg.

Jump back to quoted post10 Sep 2014, 20:59 PMMoBo111

And nearly every allied core infantry was buffed.

Jump back to quoted post10 Sep 2014, 22:18 PMCabreza

Since this had kind of morphed into a thread about how range is calculated does anyone have visual representation of what 5-30 range actually looks like in game?

Jump back to quoted post10 Sep 2014, 18:08 PMGreeb

+1000
Great post MilkaCow!!!

I encourage you to make similar charts for the rest of core units. They would be REALLY useful to learn optimal distances to fight enemy squads without having to lose plenty of games beforehand.

Jump back to quoted post10 Sep 2014, 20:59 PMMoBo111

They are not armed with smg they are armed with assault rifles. SMGs are only good no close assault rifles close-mid range. It's a joke that sturmpioneers were nerfed, this will lead to more abusing and cheese and lesser possibilities for okw to defend against it. And nearly every allied core infantry was buffed, and the sturmpioneers were nerfed which is definietly a great idea.... And guys numbers are a fine thing, but thanks to rng they really don't do that much and the term "Midrange" is not really defined.

Jump back to quoted post10 Sep 2014, 15:34 PMMilkaCow

AE are 260 MP and SP are 320 MP. Weapon wise they are probably the same. Utility wise I guess the SP are slightly better, but not much. Dunno if the 13% less received accuracy is enough to balance it out. I'd assume the AE are a tad too good (I'd price them at 270 or maybe even 280MP for their performance purely stat wise).

Jump back to quoted post11 Sep 2014, 01:13 AMpqumsieh

Just to be clear, the Sturmpioneer along with every other infantry unit did not see a value change. They are worth the same, their stats were just optimized to better reflect their intended functionality. i.e. Sturmpioneers lost damage for durability. The idea is that when they close into an enemy unit, they receive less damage, therefore increasing the likelihood of having a whole squad over a partial squad. Their short-mid range damage output is already high enough in most cases that the reduction in damage that was applied will not result in the squad losing the given engagement.

Jump back to quoted post11 Sep 2014, 01:28 AMSierra

Simply put Relic, you done f*cked up. I think many of us would be happier if you just reverted that Sturmpioneer change.

Jump back to quoted post11 Sep 2014, 01:33 AMOmega_Warrior

I wouldn't. The extra durability gives them more time to make manuevers through cover without losing models that it would have lost in the last patch.

Jump back to quoted post11 Sep 2014, 01:40 AMSierra

Sounds good on paper, means nothing in practical application. In reality they take just as much damage, and drop squad members long before reaching their optimal range of punching distance.

It is an overnerf, it is too much, and almost everyone who isn't Allied biased will tell you that it was unnecessary and unwarranted.

Jump back to quoted post11 Sep 2014, 02:22 AMboc120

Sierra, I don't know where you came from all of a sudden, but calm down. You are all over multiple threads with strongly worded complaints about sturmpios. Relic has an idea that they are trying to implement in regards to this unit. I don't think you can possibly have played enough games with the new patch to definitively say that it doesn't work as intended.

Jump back to quoted post11 Sep 2014, 01:01 AMvoltardark

Well, maybe you are right, my info is from coh-stats:

It say : MP40 SMG.

http://www.coh2-stats.com/small_arms/assault_pioneer_mp44_smg_mp.

But i can't validate more then that.