Thoughts on the Kubelwagen
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Such a fantastic unit for OKW that works wonders with a nearby sturmpioneersquad or on its own.
Can reverse in a heartbeat, very maneuverable, fast and frustratingly hard to kill even with bazookas (they miss alot).
It can rotate on the spot to suppress/deal dmg in another arc and unlike an MG squad it doesn't have to pack up. This makes it difficult to flank at the best of times as it can just slam it into reverse to create a new suppression arc.
Incredibly annoying to find your cutoff locked down in the first minute or two by 1 kubel and sturmpioneer/volks which is a nasty combination to tackle with just riflemen.
To compare it with the wc51 for the US which has a 20 fuel cost and no suppression. Yes it does do more damage and has a transport capacity however it will struggle to 1v1 a lone kubel or squad and it is doctrine specific. Is the 0 fuel cost reasonable compared to 20?
It should be noted that this is from the perspective of a mainly 2v2 player and I'm aware that it can be managed more effectively in 1v1. The argument I think is still fair.
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It can rotate on the spot to suppress/deal dmg in another arc and unlike an MG squad it doesn't have to pack up. This makes it difficult to flank at the best of times as it can just slam it into reverse to create a new suppression arc.
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I think it needs a fuel cost.
Such a fantastic unit for OKW that works wonders with a nearby sturmpioneersquad or on its own.
Can reverse in a heartbeat, very maneuverable, fast and frustratingly hard to kill even with bazookas (they miss alot).
It can rotate on the spot to suppress/deal dmg in another arc and unlike an MG squad it doesn't have to pack up. This makes it difficult to flank at the best of times as it can just slam it into reverse to create a new suppression arc.
Incredibly annoying to find your cutoff locked down in the first minute or two by 1 kubel and sturmpioneer/volks which is a nasty combination to tackle with just riflemen.
To compare it with the wc51 for the US which has a 20 fuel cost and no suppression. Yes it does do more damage and has a transport capacity however it will struggle to 1v1 a lone kubel or squad and it is doctrine specific. Is the 0 fuel cost reasonable compared to 20?
It should be noted that this is from the perspective of a mainly 2v2 player and I'm aware that it can be managed more effectively in 1v1. The argument I think is still fair.
The kubel is perfect in my eyes. It is ofc deadly in the hands of a skilled micro player. IMO: don't touch my kubel!
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The 50. Cal mounted on the US vehicles and some of the soviet ones kills Kubels very quickly.
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In 2v2 things look very different. You should have put the disclaimer "...from the perspective of mainly a 2v2 player" at the top of your thread, or people will go crazy and do unspeakable things to your anus.
I will agree that the Kübelwagen and Sturmpionier combo can be surprisingly effective early on on small maps, for example Road to kharkov. But that has mainly to do with 1v1 maps that are used as 2v2 maps and don't leave enough room to flank. You won't get that much mileage on open and bigger 2v2 maps out of the Kübelwagen.
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I don't think the kubelwagen can reverse in a heartbeat. In my experience the kubelwagen always move forward a little bit before backing up. I don't know why but it delays them from reversing.
Yes, it is nerve-racking. And how maneuverable it is you can also admire when it does again a 270° spin on the spot when a 90° rotation the other way around would have been more efficient.
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Yes, it is nerve-racking. And how maneuverable it is you can also admire when it does again a 270° spin on the spot when a 90° rotation the other way around would have been more efficient.
Very good I agree that it's not Vorspung durch Technik
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>Driving forward when ordered to reverse? Check
>Crazy Uturns when reversed manually? Check
>Tokyo drifts? Check
Don't get me wrong it is a good unit, but if they are going to increase it's price than fix the pathing for godsake
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I don't think the kubelwagen can reverse in a heartbeat. In my experience the kubelwagen always move forward a little bit before backing up. I don't know why but it delays them from reversing.
That has to do with the stupid 3-point-turn of light vehicles. Yes, it might be more realistic, but no vehicle should handle like that in a game with notoriously bad pathing.
The 221/2 was plagued with this as well, until they removed this "feature" because they somehow realized it might be more fun if vehicles would actually back up first and not drive straight forward if you give them the order to reverse.
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That has to do with the stupid 3-point-turn of light vehicles. Yes, it might be more realistic, but no vehicle should handle like that in a game with notoriously bad pathing.
The 221/2 was plagued with this as well, until they removed this "feature" because they somehow realized it might be more fun if vehicles would actually back up first and not drive straight forward if you give them the order to reverse.
Thanks for that explanation, G'gap. Now I know it's not just my cr@p micro.
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I had considered the possibility of a fuel cost for kunbel but the reason is different, it was to give the kunbel damage when firing on the move, the idea is to make it a good counter vs snipers, the suppression mode would remain as it is, and when firing on the move it would deal damage like any other light vehicle, this way you could actually chase and kill snipers on retreat.
To many times kunbel gets close to a sniper fires a burst and kills a model, and opponent realizes hes being flanked just retreats and kunbel cant finish second model on retreat, very frustrating considering any other light vehicle would get the sniper.
The fuel cost cant be to high otherwise a 240 mp with more than 10 fuel cost would clearly underperformed when compared to m3 170 mp and 15 fuel.
As for the kunbel itself its not that difficult to handle, either flank with rifle squads, 3 at least preferably with vet 1 or go for fast m-20, your opponent should only have 1 shreck and you can pop smoke to retreat safely + well placed AT mines will stop the predictable puma or panzer II answer from your opponent.
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The bike was priced with this in mind at 180 (less health than the jeep)the jeep was 220. So 20 more mp you get suppression, genuine damage dealing and a sliver more health (if the hitpoints between the two games are comparable).
Fair point on the path finding that is definitely a negative (like alot of units including the wc51).
Food for thought.
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