Finally a reason for Relic to Nerf that BS

Jump back to quoted post4 Aug 2014, 04:40 AMaxeitall

If this is true then how is anyone winning as OKW? How did Hans beat omgpop who is the best USA player and also beat Pi in the tournament? If they are as weak as you cry about all the time, then they should not be able to be able to win games with but clearly people do.

This is not even about faction balance anymore, this is you just playing only one side of the faction, being bad and having some sort of victim complex. Yes the game needs balancing but the amount you whine about it, I don't even understand why you play this game. Its like going to see a movie you hate, whine about 24/7 but keep going to see it.

The game needs balancing but OKW are not as weak as you make them out to be and you should really stop just playing one faction or just quit the game, or maybe just actually get good at the game.

Jump back to quoted post4 Aug 2014, 05:43 AM__deleted__

OKW is a strong faction in 1v1. In 2v2 or more... ummm.... they are rather weak. Unlike vcoh, in more than 1v1 games, a coh2 win generally requies alot of powerfull tanks on the field, and mobility, which OKW has not. The only maps OKW is good in 2v2 are the narrow maps, as Road to kharkow, Rails and metal and such. Not to many chances on Hurtgen Forrest, Moscow Outskirts and such. So the best combo must be OKW + OH on 2v2 and OH+OH+OKW in 3v3. OH can help OKW with the fuel income and is versatile,mobile and vehicle based, while OKW is rough, static, and infantry based.

On topic: I think VonIvan's idea for increasing kubelwagon efficiency versus sniper is the only sensible approach.

Jump back to quoted post4 Aug 2014, 05:48 AMaxeitall

I don't see what relevance that has to what I posted. My point was Vetlol makes OKW out to be so bad that they are literally impossible to win with and that he really needs to take a chill pill on the whining.

Jump back to quoted post4 Aug 2014, 06:26 AMShadowTreasurer

It's basically that Soviet T1 is broken. Getting m3s at 2 minutes and being able to load flamers in them like a bunch of clowns is ridiculous. It's a problem for both Ost and OKW, since both can only get counters at maybe 5-6 mins minimum.

The strategy also points out the flaws of soviet "teching". You can get an ISU out at 20 mins and 2nd at 24-25 mins easily, if you have at least 1 fuel point. It's often better to just rely on guards + T1 + T2 and forget about T3/T4.

Jump back to quoted post4 Aug 2014, 06:26 AMShadowTreasurer

It's basically that Soviet T1 is broken. Getting m3s at 2 minutes and being able to load flamers in them like a bunch of clowns is ridiculous. It's a problem for both Ost and OKW, since both can only get counters at maybe 5-6 mins minimum.

This strategy also points out the flaws of soviet "teching". You can get an ISU (counter AT guns, inf and most tanks) out at 20 mins and 2nd at 24-25 mins easily, if you have at least 1 fuel point. It's often better to just rely on guards + T1 + T2 and forget about T3/T4. This can be too strong against opponents who decide to tech... This goes the same for ostheer who skip teching and spam tigers...

Jump back to quoted post4 Aug 2014, 11:51 AMCardboard Tank

The problem is the two man squad the soviet sniper comes in. That´s way too hard to kill. A 222 may seem like a good option, but above a certain level the opponent will spam mines. The pioneers with minesweepers can detect one mine at best and then have to retreat.

Currently your best bet is to have a lucky mortar shot and god knows that is a shitty strategy that can´t be relied on. This dual sniper squad ruins games.

Jump back to quoted post4 Aug 2014, 13:11 PMsteel

The sniper team is fine if it didn't steer away from realism too much. From what I remember WW2 snipers were always working alone and never with a mate. To justify for the two men, the Soviet sniper shoots slower compared to his German counterpart. Is this another stereotype of Soviet inferiority. Vasily Zaitsev was one of the best sniper and he was a Soviet. Both snipers should be equal and get better with vet.

Jump back to quoted post4 Aug 2014, 11:51 AMCardboard Tank

The problem is the two man squad the soviet sniper comes in. That´s way too hard to kill. A 222 may seem like a good option, but above a certain level the opponent will spam mines. The pioneers with minesweepers can detect one mine at best and then have to retreat.

Currently your best bet is to have a lucky mortar shot and god knows that is a shitty strategy that can´t be relied on. This dual sniper squad ruins games.

Jump back to quoted post4 Aug 2014, 14:06 PMJohnThomas

And then for OKW the kubel is terrible at chasing snipers.

Jump back to quoted post4 Aug 2014, 13:17 PMKatitof

Actually, soviet snipers did worked in pairs.
German snipers worked alone and US and brits didn't really used snipers, but sharpshooters.

Jump back to quoted post4 Aug 2014, 08:48 AMVetLolcake

M3 + flame is ridiculous OP as is Maxim spam. Relic never fix it....

Jump back to quoted post4 Aug 2014, 14:06 PMJohnThomas

Incredible how no one in this thread has said the 2 man soviet sniper squads are a problem due to not being able to counter snipe them. The best way to kill a sniper early on is to counter snipe him, however this doesn't work against 2 man squads.

The problem isn't that soviet snipers are too good, its that they are too hard to kill.

And then for OKW the kubel is terrible at chasing snipers.

Jump back to quoted post4 Aug 2014, 13:17 PMKatitof

Actually, soviet snipers did worked in pairs.
German snipers worked alone and US and brits didn't really used snipers, but sharpshooters.