War Spoils - Let's talk.

Jump back to quoted post22 Jul 2014, 14:49 PMBurts

This community is a giant piece of shit. Seriously. A bunch of spoiled brats. Fuck you guys..

Jump back to quoted post22 Jul 2014, 14:43 PMHirmetrium

Cynthia or Noun, please can you answer the following questions. If you can't then can you just assure us you'll pass it on or talk about it later... It's frustrating seeing the silence or them being passed over.

• What is the intention for duplicates?
  
• How long must we wait for duplicates to have value?
  
• What about the leveling system, and content that used to be tied to it?
  
• Is the leveling system now redundant?
  
• Why is content that was free on progression now tied to a randomised loot system with paid for content?
  
• What is the estimated "loot treadmill" length? Should it be possible to get all content?
  
• Why is there no way to earn any of the content, through achievements as well as war spoils?
  
• How does the War Spoils system work? (Exactly?)
  
• What about AFK farmers?
  
• Are you planning to do any events ala Mass Effect 3 that reward players with permanent items (special skins, commanders, etc)

At the moment, there is no progression whatsoever in COH2. Every game you play where you don't get war spoils rewards you with... nothing. Diablo 3 has paragon levels. LoL (a goddamn free to play game) has runes and leagues and such. In COH2 its useless.

This post was a good step, but its a month after release. These concerns have been present since my first day in the alpha.

Jump back to quoted post22 Jul 2014, 14:51 PMThe amazing Chandler

Its like buying a car and for some extras latter on you have to pay for them more as for the car it self.
When will this stop?

Duplicates exist so you don't get everything you can unlock in 5 days. If you, for example, have all the vanilla CoH2 content, and duplicates didn't exist, you'd get all the unlockable WFA items in a few days.

Duplicates exist so you don't get everything you can unlock in 5 days. If you, for example, have all the vanilla CoH2 content, and duplicates didn't exist, you'd get all the unlockable WFA items in a few days.

Jump back to quoted post22 Jul 2014, 14:57 PMThe amazing Chandler

You should not use that language young man, i will tell your parents.

Siriusly, grow up!

P.S. We ont know on which side you are, so everybody should go and f.. him self?

Jump back to quoted post22 Jul 2014, 15:01 PMKatitof

What kind of horrible, tyrannous country do you live in, where you need to pay for tunning of your car?

Everywhere in the world you can get your tunning for free!

That logic couldn't be even more flawed at all.

Jump back to quoted post22 Jul 2014, 14:43 PMHirmetrium

• What is the intention for duplicates?
  
• How long must we wait for duplicates to have value?
  
• What about the leveling system, and content that used to be tied to it?
  
• Is the leveling system now redundant?
  
• Why is content that was free on progression now tied to a randomised loot system with paid for content?
  
• What is the estimated "loot treadmill" length? Should it be possible to get all content?
  
• Why is there no way to earn any of the content, through achievements as well as war spoils?
  
• How does the War Spoils system work? (Exactly?)
  
• What about AFK farmers?
  
• Are you planning to do any events ala Mass Effect 3 that reward players with permanent items (special skins, commanders, etc)

• Duplicates currently serve the purpose of letting people know they have a drop. We have a limited amount of content and if you didn't get duplicates you may go days, weeks or more without actually getting a War Spoils drop. That would be even more frustrating than the duplicate situation, since you wouldn't know if you were doing the right things or not.
  
  As we add more content into the system there will be less duplicates. And as we said we're working to develop the system so that duplicates are useful and have value.
  
  You mention the Alpha and I think that's a good point, especially when we're talking duplicates. Originally War Spoils many items were going to be timed items, so you'd get a Commander that would last say 3 days. The intention was that with duplicates you'd be able to recharge your items. So if you had a Commander with 5 hours left you'd use that duplicate faceplate to add an extra 12 hours.
  
  The feedback in the Alpha was strongly against timed items for War Spoils, and we responded which left us in the current situation where there are duplicates but they (currently) do not have a point. As we improve the system they will again, and it'll be a better point than just recharging items.
  
  
• We'll let you know closer to that point.
  
  
• You were given that content. We granted all our existing users as of June 23 every piece of legacy progression system content as a goodwill measure.
  
  
• Yes.
  
  
• You were given that content.
  
  
• It may be possible for some people, it may not be possible for others. However it shouldn't be possible to do it in a month.
  
  
• No.
  
  
• You play the game (except campaign) and when you've played for X amount of time you get randomized content. What army you're playing increases the chance of that army's content dropping.
  
  
• This is meant for rewarding players for the behavior they exhibited before the War Spoils system was introduced, playing the game. If people want to spend their time trying to get around that, then that's up to them. It's much more fun to play the game, but hey, whatever.
  
  
• You never know.

Jump back to quoted post22 Jul 2014, 16:19 PMNoun

• Duplicates currently serve the purpose of letting people know they have a drop. We have a limited amount of content and if you didn't get duplicates you may go days, weeks or more without actually getting a War Spoils drop. That would be even more frustrating than the duplicate situation, since you wouldn't know if you were doing the right things or not.
  
  As we add more content into the system there will be less duplicates. And as we said we're working to develop the system so that duplicates are useful and have value.
  
  You mention the Alpha and I think that's a good point, especially when we're talking duplicates. Originally War Spoils many items were going to be timed items, so you'd get a Commander that would last say 3 days. The intention was that with duplicates you'd be able to recharge your items. So if you had a Commander with 5 hours left you'd use that duplicate faceplate to add an extra 12 hours.
  
  The feedback in the Alpha was strongly against timed items for War Spoils, and we responded which left us in the current situation where there are duplicates but they (currently) do not have a point. As we improve the system they will again, and it'll be a better point than just recharging items.
  
  

Jump back to quoted post22 Jul 2014, 04:05 AMDanielD

Sort of unrelated to the actual topic, I wanted to compliment Cynthia (or whoever wrote it) on the blog post. A lot of game companies (and even sites like Forbes.com) post embarrassingly bad pieces of writing. This blog post was clear and concise, so well done.

• You release a system that is itself sound and good, offering the community DLC content for free - though at random. No explanation about the system is released when it activates.
  
• People are unsure what gamemodes reward War Spoils
  
• People play and notice they get duplicates, they start posting this on the forums
  
• A blog post explaining war spoils is made, yet it does not tackle duplicates
  
• People still think duplicates are a bug, basically that your system is not working and instead of a useful drop they received a duplicate. They start to compare duplicates on the forums and massively complain
  
• Some posts are made, basically saying that everything is working as intended. Still no explanation about duplicates and people feel like it's just talk. They complain about duplicates and state they feel like Relic is making fun of them with it.
  
• Duplicates and their (completely valid) reasoning finally get revealed.
  

Jump back to quoted post22 Jul 2014, 14:12 PMOmega_Warrior

I like new commanders. I am willing to pay for said new commanders. I hope they add more commanders, which I will then buy. That money goes to pay Relic employees, who in turn make more commander or even better, more factions. It's a win-win for everybody except those who feel entitled to have everything for free.