The SU76
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I heard about Buffing the penetration but i think this will make the SU76 just a worse SU85.
Another idea is to swap it with the t70. I think its a good idea but i dont know if relic wants to change the soviets faction in this way. Because now you have the tanks in T3 and the assault guns in T4.
So my favorit buff would be to improve the AI. The SU76 never hits any Infantry and even the Barrage isnt the ultimate AI ability. So let the Su76 kill an entity sometimes would help.
What do you think about the SU76?
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Give it a firing arc like the M8 Scott so it can auto-fire and barrage over shot blockers and buildings.
I think this is the way to go. The Red Army's T4 has no Anti Infantry units. Making the SU-76 more of an anti infantry unit with a larger AOE profile/splash dmg would help. Giving the M8 Scott unique ballistic profile would help too as the SU-76 is turretless and not very nimble.
This way the SU-76 would compliment the SU-85 quite well.
Just like in T3, the T70 is strictly an AI unit while the T-34/76 is both AI and AT.
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a slight movement of enemy vehicle will force su76 to rotate its full chassis, causing it to lose accuracy and whatnot. when chasing almost dead vehicles, because the front of the chassis has to face the enemy vehicle, it is infinitely harder to do than when chasing with su85, stug or whatnot.
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This would make both T3 and T4 very well rounded in artillery, AI and AT capabilities. With the T-70 in T4, it might actually be worth it to get T4 without having to choose a KV-8 doctrine.
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I would like it to have the same AT as the T-34/76 but with the option of switching to HE rounds.
Then it could also auto-bombard like the M8 scott.
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Possible alternative: Replace Barrage with HE Shells, which lets it act similar to the ISG.
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But relic hates this unit and wants it to always suck.
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I think the idea is that you just zerg these things, but at the moment they don't seem quite THAT cheap that you can do so easily.
I used to build these a lot more often with mixed success, get three of them and they'll be a real threat to tanks with their high ROF and decent penetration. If one gets in danger, run away while the others keep harassing. Infantry coming with AT? Reverse and barrage with all of them to create a no-mans land.
It might be just that I haven't used them for so long and wasn't managing them properly but the other day I had trouble getting a decent number out, and each time I had even two on the field a Puma would just eat them alive. They had real trouble fighting back due to the speed and slow-ass rotation. The Puma could take them out really quick and scoot away though.
I just get the feeling if these things are cheap as chips you'll be able to just keep them rolling off the production line that numbers and replacability will counter any of their shortcomings.
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Swap it with the T-70 and give it a price decrease.
This would make both T3 and T4 very well rounded in artillery, AI and AT capabilities. With the T-70 in T4, it might actually be worth it to get T4 without having to choose a KV-8 doctrine.
while i like the idea think about the repercussions of a t70 scouting for su85s.
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while i like the idea think about the repercussions of a t70 scouting for su85s.
Like Vet 1 Shermans for Jacksons? Oh but not quite as effective
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Last time the unit was appealing was during vCoH2 closed beta...
I liked it even awhile after that.
I could see it being useful against OKW, since they have a lot of lighter vehicles. But why bother when a T70 will do the same thing better? The benefit of the SU76 was it was preempting an Su85 which dominated Wehr t3. This isn't really a concern against OKW mid-late game where infantry is their backbone.
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