Balance Wehrmacht vs. US

Jump back to quoted post17 Jul 2014, 21:04 PMcoh2player

There are units that exploit the weaknesses of the US and close the gap early-mid game by increasing their losses. Obviously the US is strong early game and weak late game compared to Ost.

So far I got:

Sniper, 222, Assault grens, Stug III E

Jump back to quoted post15 Jul 2014, 20:54 PMcoh2player

I will.

It may be premature to say it, but the assgrens, 250 PzG, and stugs work pretty well against US rifles. The whole call-in doctrine tears them up and exploits their weaknesses as a faction.

It's ironic that the assgrens commander is now on free trial.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jul 2014, 11:14 AMKatitof

I would love it if you could provide a rep of that.

As much as osttruppen fan I am, I don't find them much of a use at all as they can't do anything and are basically exp feeder for me, pretty much like overnerfed partisans.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jul 2014, 21:04 PMcoh2player

There are units that exploit the weaknesses of the US and close the gap early-mid game by increasing their losses. Obviously the US is strong early game and weak late game compared to Ost.

So far I got:

Sniper, 222, Assault grens, Stug III E

Jump back to quoted post17 Jul 2014, 21:10 PMVonIvan

Sniper?

Meet Mechanized Doc for the Americans with the Steroid Jeep, which counters that nicely. Or just Spam riflez, flank sniper, insta-dead. Assault Grens? Meet AA Halftrack. StugE? Meet a Sherman.
US has, and always will dominate early game no matter what you try. Late game is where it is only weak and the OKW/Ostheer stronk.

Jump back to quoted post14 Jul 2014, 21:27 PMBidet

this poll can't be faire because there more than 80% of german player on this forum

Jump back to quoted post22 Jul 2014, 07:04 AMLucas Troy

Needing a PAK 5 minutes into a 1 v 1 game is really shitty for the Wehr player, though. It'd be a different story if the AA HT arrived like 2-3 minutes later.

Jump back to quoted post22 Jul 2014, 07:23 AMOversloth

I don't really find it any different to fighting Soviets.

You absolutely need the Pak 40 early imo vs them as well.

Jump back to quoted post14 Jul 2014, 18:18 PMand

How do you intend to kite someone who does not intend to follow you? Once you're in the late game, US got no chance of winning back map control.

The strong early game, weak late game is a horrible and frustrating design. It needs to go ASAP.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jul 2014, 20:09 PMJaigen

The issue is not can unit X counter unit Z. Because the ost has every tool needed to counter the am ones and do so cost effectively especially if you have the mobile defence doctrine.

The reason why this match up is unbalanced is early game economics. the fastest and least expensive tech AM vs the slowest and most expensive and slowest tech (ost)

to get to tier 2 ost player needs to sacrifice 400 mp. the am zero as they gain either a LT or CPT for free. thats a lot of mp early game. But the ost is forced to buy a pak to deal with the Stuart or the AA track it sets them back another 320 mp. The am on the other hand doesnt have to worry about enemy tanks for quite a while and flak and rifles can handle anything tier 2 ost. so the next fuel mp and ammo can be invested to acquire even more AI power.

In total the ost is set back nearly 720 mp in the very few minutes of the game. that is the key reason why the matchup is so god awfully imbalanced.

Jump back to quoted post14 Jul 2014, 21:27 PMBidet

this poll can't be faire because there more than 80% of german player on this forum