Official Sturmpioneer thread

Jump back to quoted post24 Jun 2014, 22:12 PMBrachiaraidos

Welcome to the internets. Think there's an issue with the game? Omg LTP/Not OP/Dun nerf Muh Baybies.


People with the inability to read aside, it is odd that they start the game with a unit that can single-handedly wipe the floor with everyone else's starting unit- up to and including conscripts and riflemen.

It's not like the OKW actually need to build buildings with engineers for tiers. It wouldn't kill them to start with a rifle squad instead of sturmpioneers to help level the initial field.

Jump back to quoted post23 Jun 2014, 22:20 PMKreatiir

First units should not outperform others in that way.

Jump back to quoted post24 Jun 2014, 22:18 PMKatitof

Actually, rear echelon troops can beat them easily if you use their ability.
And other starting squads are more building/utility oriented then combat.

Jump back to quoted post24 Jun 2014, 23:25 PMOverkillius

I honestly don't see why they shouldn't. Looking at one disconnected aspect of the game doesn't tell you how the rest of it should go.

Let me do essentially what you did for the original post, indirectly adressing a single unbalanced aspect of the game, and coming up with conclusions about it that are just as misguided as yours were.

Official American Man Power thread

American starting MP is not OP; it can be dealt with, but I want to discuss something with the guys here who have big brains.

Compare Oberkommand starting MP - Ostheer starting MP - Soviet starting MP - American starting MP.

Factions should not have more MP to build more units like that.
I understand the idea about having an elite faction, but not that much MP.
Make the starter unit more powerful? sure. But early resources is not good for balance imo.

Anyway, discuss, lads.

Jump back to quoted post25 Jun 2014, 20:20 PMThe_Courier

I do think it's a bit silly that you are forced to glue your rifles to green cover or 2v1 them while spending ammo with rear echelons to be able to beat the OKW's starting unit. Sure, they're expensive to reinforce, but 2-3 of them, if used well, can wrestle map control like nobody's business and USF don't have any reliable early counters. Grenades are too expensive and lack punch, BARs at 60 ammo apiece come too late, more rifles won't help unless you play heavily on the defensive since they drop like flies to MP44s. The Lieutenant tangles with them well enough but 50 fuel is a lot and means no ambulance for you.

Maybe having 2-3 Rear echelons might do it, to use rifle volley more often. But then you're in huge trouble as soon as vehicles start hitting the field because they scale horribly.

Jump back to quoted post25 Jun 2014, 20:25 PMKatitof

Well, too bad sturm pios loose to rifles if rifles are kept at range and if he approaches you, he WILL loose mdoels and the fight.

Jump back to quoted post25 Jun 2014, 03:24 AMDanielD

Sturmpios are a unit where if you don't know how to fight them, it's impossible. Hence all the complaining.

Jump back to quoted post25 Jun 2014, 22:07 PMMilkaCow

Positioning.

Close range Sturmpios beat rifles.
Mid range it's pretty equal.
Long range Rifles beat Sturmpios.

Jump back to quoted post25 Jun 2014, 22:21 PMVolsky

And what about Soviet players? Are we just supposed to sit there and scratch our balls? Oh yes, Maxim spam, that'll counter the SPs! Not that I'll be left open to an LV rush and in team games I'll just get mortar blobbed to death (seems to be a new 'thing' in PvP pub matches--OKW goes SP blobs into Obersoldaten, Wehr spams MGs and mortars and sits on their hands until they can crank out Tigers en masse)...