M3 + maxim + Sniper spam 2v2 - Early game

Jump back to quoted post19 Jun 2014, 10:07 AMJaigen

nope stays the same and just be as cost effective as the rest of the vehicles in the game even with the nerfs

Jump back to quoted post19 Jun 2014, 12:11 PMThe Silver Sage

Bit of a knee-jerk over-reactive nerf to the M3 in my opinion if you did that. You want to cripple it's ability to do damage (taking note that a properly used M3 is meant to shoot from max range to avoid faust so generally you will be using that accuracy profile to calculate dps anyway) and reduce it's paper thin armour even more without a reduce in price? What player who can calculate the value of a unit would ever waste resources on that?

I would have no problem with the M3 getting a health reduction even if the cost stayed the same because if you use it well it shouldn't get caught. That way it couldn't absorb so much hits and bleed German MP without needing to fall back for repairs.

Jump back to quoted post19 Jun 2014, 12:39 PMJaigen

I dont agree. I envision the m3 to be used as a quick flanker. reducing its hp and making it a glass cannon will completely destroy this units utility early-midgame game. The problem lies solely in its fighting ability. that should be severely reduced.

Jump back to quoted post19 Jun 2014, 15:09 PMCannonade

Imo, M3 should consistently explode to 2 Fausts.

Atm it is frequently surviving them + incidental small arms fire while the Fausts go off.

Cba to crunch numbers to identify the exact tipping point.

I'd change that first before touching the 221, unless it also is, statwise, surviving substantially more than 2 ATNades, in which case that too should be reduced (but it needs marginally better survival than M3).

Jump back to quoted post19 Jun 2014, 15:09 PMCannonade

Imo, M3 should consistently explode to 2 Fausts.


Atm it is frequently surviving them + incidental small arms fire while the Fausts go off.

Cba to crunch numbers to identify the exact tipping point.

I'd change that first before touching the 221, unless it also is, statwise, surviving substantially more than 2 ATNades, in which case that too should be reduced (but it needs marginally better survival than M3).

Jump back to quoted post19 Jun 2014, 15:16 PMKatitof

Only reason it won't blow up to 2 fausts instantly is engine/weapon crit on low hp.

Jump back to quoted post19 Jun 2014, 15:16 PMKatitof

Also, 221 does have considerably more survivability, its got 9 armor front and 5.4 rear where M3 got 5.4 front.

Jump back to quoted post19 Jun 2014, 15:40 PMCannonade

Explain this part please.

Armor in this case being completely irrelevant to ATNade, that is fine then.

Jump back to quoted post19 Jun 2014, 15:48 PMKatitof

you have a set % chance to stay at 5%hp and receive either destroyed engine critical or destroyed main gun critical.

Jump back to quoted post19 Jun 2014, 10:42 AMShadowTreasurer

What's retarded about the m3 is that I didn't know that flamethrowers in cars was the core of the Soviet army in WWII. It's been a viable tactic since day 1 of coh2 and it's pretty silly.

Must have been a really realistic/practical and commonly used doctrine back then.

Jump back to quoted post19 Jun 2014, 16:02 PMKatitof

Its around 5% if I'm not mistaken.

Rare occurrence and can be labeled as pure luck.

Generally if you use 2 fausts, you will get the kill.

Jump back to quoted post19 Jun 2014, 15:06 PMJHeartless

And the 221/222 should be moar better!!!!

What you propose is an absurd overnerf. Like Katitof said it would be fine if the cost were reduced to almost nothing. And maybe thats what should be done. Almost no manpower cost and a slight fuel cost with no real armor or HPs and a squad risk as it can explode. Then if they are that cheap you can have a highly mobile force where every squad can easily afford this gimped M3 and move around the field at lightning speed at risk.

Jump back to quoted post18 Jun 2014, 22:02 PMBravus

M3 and Maxpin is only the tip of iceberg...

Double T85 Call and Shermans Calls is OP too...

But Maxpin and M3 is the hardest...

Maxpin pin in 1 second and kill, MG42 pin in 1 minute (LOL) and dont kill...

The big difference is in the infantry, germany is all weak and die quickly while the Soviets can withstand much more, and weapons there is no real big difference...

A old soviet rifle is a little weak than a SGT44 in this game (but if the sovs inf god mod get a bazooka or sgt44 gg)...

The soviet still no need much cover as germans, and the better range of the germans dont work half of the times because the low vision and the maps of course.

In the tanks battle the germans are in trouble because the aliens mines that decide the game.

Much things, relic are trying to make russians like the game and buy more or what???

I play mostly 1x1 and are right now tru hard days...

Because with soviet is 2more easy to play, as german you get crazy vs a good player!

Jump back to quoted post19 Jun 2014, 16:31 PMFrikadelleXXL

Sorry Sir, but you are a retard. Typical german fanboy in his habit.

Jump back to quoted post19 Jun 2014, 16:28 PMJaigen

Cut this BS out. You make no comparisons to the 221/222 or the german HT because if you do you will see that the m3 Brutally cost effective for what its doing.

Katitof is right the 221 does more damage on long range but loses on mid and short range. That alone is fucking absurd. A dedicated attack vehicle that is more expensive loses a dps war with the m3.

Lets sum up all its advantages.

it comes out very early
it has better dps then both other german LV's
it serves as a mobile weapon platform and transport for the soviet infantry.

Mate this unit is as broken as the sentinel of Dow 2 . sure it will becomes crap later on but in the early game you have no counter to this mobile bunker with a BFG on top of it.

And the complaint that the you need to choose a guards unit is about the worst argument i can think of because guards sync so well with tier 1 and they have the best late game stuff. so its not a weakness