Panther overnerfed

Jump back to quoted post11 Jun 2014, 03:11 AMy3ivan

panther is fine at 175 fuel when compared to T34/85 at 130 fuel, for performance vs cost

It has better frontal armor than t34/85 maingun that has 59% chance of pen.Its like comparing T34/76 vs PanzerIV

It biggest problem right now is that T34/85 does not require teching.

Jump back to quoted post11 Jun 2014, 03:21 AMausterlitz

And that panther requires huge teching,and that t-34 can easily 2 shot squads,and that it has same health as panther,and that they happen to have a rather cheap mark target ability which render pen irrelevant.And that with 2 tanks...one will always more or less flank u.

Jump back to quoted post11 Jun 2014, 07:25 AMy3ivan

Its not regarding to Panther underperforming. Its the matter of Teching vs Call-in.

Why would you want to waste fuel teching, when you could call-in units at the same price.

playing 4v4 with luftwaffe supply and opel blitz. Germans could spam Panthers faster than Callin units even with 175 fuel each.

Jump back to quoted post11 Jun 2014, 07:31 AMVolsky

I can't wait till WA comes out and we get modding support. I get to implement my mod and fling utter, unceasing statistical historical accuracy in and not bother with this forum's incessant balance whining.

Anything remotely powerful or slightly easy to use on the Germans side is fine, and the Soviets need to L2P. Anything that needs a little extra effort to obtain, or that doesn't ream everything in front of it is utterly useless and needs a buff. Now replace 'German' with 'Soviet' and repeat. That's what this forum seems to be, in a nutshell. Le sigh. Even the War Thunder forums are more objective than this.

Jump back to quoted post11 Jun 2014, 07:12 AM__deleted__

Whoever says that Panther is fine as it is (cost and performance) needs to L2P or play germans from time to time and use only Panthers. And at every lost battle, they should pay 100 bucks. After that, we can begin to talk.

Related to Panther performances - you are afraid of its former efficiency? Then let Panther as it is, but derease costs. And this should be substantial, otherwise the presence of panther on the battlefield will be no frequent than it is today.

I'm talking about 130 fuel cost, and a small decrease on mp also (like 20).

Jump back to quoted post11 Jun 2014, 07:45 AMBurts

Ok, so a t-34/85 costs 130 fuel and you want a panther buff statwise AND also being 130 fuel? WHAT?

Also mark target does not increase penetration chance, it only increases damage done when penetrated.


Flanking a panther with 85s is a very hard thing to do, because panther has the same speed as an 85.

Jump back to quoted post11 Jun 2014, 12:11 PMCardboard Tank

I´d like to see them become a bit more survivable. Either in the form of more health or more frontal armor. Right now they blow up too fast. That´s their flaw, they can´t deliver a punch, because they have to immediately retreat.

Only lowering the cost would still mean that Panthers could get lolrushed by mediums. The only difference would be another useless Panther 20 seconds earlier.

Jump back to quoted post11 Jun 2014, 15:16 PMJHeartless

Buff Panther back to 960 HPs increase cost to 190 fuel (sense it will now beat the piss out of the IS2 as well as everything else as a true TD). Lower Tech cost to BP4.

Or lower Panther cost to 140 fuel leave it as is. Leave tech cost as is.

I really dont think it should be better than it is. If used properly and you use all its advantages it is a great unit. It does require micro to stop from getting shots the the rear but I have done tests and had it beat two Shermans at once. As long as I reverse and dont let them behind it.

It is hardly a bad unit. But I dont think you guys want a good unit. You want the old Panther from what I can tell. Something that just can A move through all opposition.