Worst balance ever . soviet domination
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Permanently BannedYou wast muni with grens shereks to kill the car, and dont pick lmg (because if the soviet player are a good one, you need shereks and more, try to stay live with few deads, holding fuel, with crazy m3 spam + flames is very hard)...
Maybe scout car in early game without up cannon upgrade will be good??? Or the half track???
This is a good early game balance example...
In mid and late game is more hard to see, many ways in this time...
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Maybe cheap 5 man squads then? Eg. 200 Manpower, rifles, no weapons upgrades/no AT, single grenade muni, same HP/armor as grens, DPS like 5 man conscript squad.
To me, the best balance thing they did was mirror the T-34/76 with the Panzer IV G. The core units of the game- medium tanks and the core infantry squad- shouldn't be dramatically asymmetrical I find. Everything else that supports them of course should be more asymmetrical.
Good point. And I see nothing wrong with larger non doctrinal Ost squads personally.
But I wouldn't agree that core infantry squads aren't dramatically asymmetrical. Because the LMG exists and the PPSH isnt worth a goddamn unless your on Stalingrad (which I veto any damn way).
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Shocktroops should honestly be cheaper or let their PPSH have a bit more damage range than the ones used by conscripts. Since they have to be touching people to do damage, and its shock troops, most people will likely retreat meaning their only really got at killing off approaching infantry or weapon crews, something conscripts already do. I haven't seen shocks deployed in I don't know how long.
The only real issue I have with Soviets vs Ost in terms of balance is the M3 and mines and maybe the sniper on certain maps.
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Good point. And I see nothing wrong with larger non doctrinal Ost squads personally.
But I wouldn't agree that core infantry squads aren't dramatically asymmetrical. Because the LMG exists and the PPSH isnt worth a goddamn unless your on Stalingrad (which I veto any damn way).
Think of purchasing PPSH for your Conscript as giving them melee weapons. If you use true-sight and flanking to get them in close they will prevail in close-combat. Also, going PPSH doctrine doesn't mean you must kit all of your squads with them.
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Think of purchasing PPSH for your Conscript as giving them melee weapons. If you use true-sight and flanking to get them in close they will prevail in close-combat. Also, going PPSH doctrine doesn't mean you must kit all of your squads with them.
No one seems to understand this.
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No one seems to understand this.
I do and I dont. I just dont see them as worth it. I do much better with vanilla scripts. Because they will still have the ability to get squad whipes due to bad play.
When you have PPSH the T button is a magical force field. The LMG is really a no brainer.
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Been saying it for months!
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IF there was 5 man 'Training battalion', I can largely see these being used as frequently as Grens. Grens/PzG would do the DPS, while the Trainees cap/soak it up.
But I wouldn't agree that core infantry squads aren't dramatically asymmetrical. Because the LMG exists and the PPSH isnt worth a goddamn unless your on Stalingrad (which I veto any damn way).
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IF there was 5 man 'Training battalion', I can largely see these being used as frequently as Grens. Grens/PzG would do the DPS, while the Trainees cap/soak it up.
Its in, its called Osttruppen and its not used at all.
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Its in, its called Osttruppen and its not used at all.
Someone tell Albus. He just trolled me with them That Wiley Harry Potter fan! I was so abused...its like the Spanish Inquisition...no one expects the Ostruppen!
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Someone tell Albus. He just trolled me with them That Wiley Harry Potter fan! I was so abused...its like the Spanish Inquisition...no one expects the Ostruppen!
Well, then he probably is the only one.
I want to love osttruppen but they disappoint me so much ever since they are a 0cp call-in.
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Well, then he probably is the only one.
I want to love osttruppen but they disappoint me so much ever since they are a 0cp call-in.
Quick Map grap unit better than Pio Spam and great meatshields against M3s and Snipers. They arent useless. And they can reman weapon teams etc etc you know the rest...
But since there is no mighty Tiger in that doctrine its not AS viable in the Meta I think. The Ostruppen may suck but they are better than Pios imho.
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I do and I dont. I just dont see them as worth it. I do much better with vanilla scripts. Because they will still have the ability to get squad whipes due to bad play.
When you have PPSH the T button is a magical force field. The LMG is really a no brainer.
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Well, then he probably is the only one.
I want to love osttruppen but they disappoint me so much ever since they are a 0cp call-in.
Osttruppen dont kill anything, just die..
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Osttruppen dont kill anything, just die..
Just like a healing bunker isn't meant to reinforce, dirt cheap Ossttrupen aren't meant to bleed or wipe units. They are meant to cap points, absorb damage and re-crew abandoned weapons teams.
That doesn't mean they are worth fielding right now.
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