Soviet Forward HQ is completely broken.

Jump back to quoted post21 May 2014, 07:16 AMBrick Top

Yeah as soon as you see it try go cap the rest of the map, ignore it. They want to fight around and near it, not be drawn away. You will have numbers advantage thanks to the cost of the FHQ.

At the same time bombard the building with a mortar.

Jump back to quoted post21 May 2014, 09:58 AMChuck Norris

That's all dandy and fine on paper, but on some maps (Semois, Kharkov) you can't really go someplace else, since the FHQ will be ideally located to cut you off or to force you into an engagement.

Regular mortars just don't deal enough dps in order to take out a fhq defended by a soviet mortar so if you don't get the MHT you're gonna be outgunned and will loose so much map control that the FHQ will have paid off, even if you manage to avoid manpower loses.

Jump back to quoted post21 May 2014, 09:58 AMChuck Norris

That's all dandy and fine on paper, but on some maps (Semois, Kharkov) you can't really go someplace else, since the FHQ will be ideally located to cut you off or to force you into an engagement.

Regular mortars just don't deal enough dps in order to take out a fhq defended by a soviet mortar so if you don't get the MHT you're gonna be outgunned and will loose so much map control that the FHQ will have paid off, even if you manage to avoid manpower loses.

Jump back to quoted post21 May 2014, 13:33 PMKatitof

Umm, if soviet goes for early FHQ, there will be no conscrits around the map and no early T2 mortars to defend it.

If soviet goes for T2, there won't be any early FHQ locking the map up until 2 CPs.

If he places FHQ near your cutoff, get around the map and cut off his resources while locking them with MG42 and/or mine field.

FHQ is incredibly easy to counter if you know what to do, it forces soviet player to keep most of his forces near it to defend it, it DECREASES his field presence across the map, allowing you for more room around it.

The only reason why people are having problems with FHQ is it is so damn rare sight that people have no slightest clue on how to react to it.

Jump back to quoted post21 May 2014, 14:02 PMGustavGans

If you read through the tread you will notice that the discussion focuses on the said problematic in a 2v2 context.

Jump back to quoted post21 May 2014, 14:06 PMKatitof

In this case its even easier, because you can coordinate with your team mate to push sov off it(use MG42 to pin) and just walk up to it with flame pio and torch it.

Jump back to quoted post21 May 2014, 18:42 PMChuck Norris

Clearly you never played 2v2 games competitively.

Jump back to quoted post21 May 2014, 19:12 PMKatitof

Guess what?
No competitive player uses FHQ in 2v2.

You know why? Because that doctrine sucks donkey balls for early and late game, offering only some mid game that don't excel at anything.

Jump back to quoted post21 May 2014, 19:21 PMKatitof

I use this doctrine sporadically and have yet to see a single streamer use it outside of 4v4.

Jump back to quoted post21 May 2014, 19:47 PMKatitof

Can you name one? I'd love to look for any of his games or stream.

FHQ is potent, but I can't see how it would be able to actually work against competent player because.

Jump back to quoted post21 May 2014, 19:21 PMKatitof

Show me a single competitive game rep where FHQ was used in either 1v1 or 2v2 and it wasn't "for the lulz".

You're better and more experienced then me, you shouldn't have a problem with that.
I use this doctrine sporadically and have yet to see a single streamer use it outside of 4v4.

Jump back to quoted post21 May 2014, 20:17 PMChuck Norris

I'll try to post some replays this w/e of games it was used against me wisely. You'll see my point then.

Jump back to quoted post21 May 2014, 09:58 AMChuck Norris

That's all dandy and fine on paper, but on some maps (Semois, Kharkov) you can't really go someplace else, since the FHQ will be ideally located to cut you off or to force you into an engagement.

Regular mortars just don't deal enough dps in order to take out a fhq defended by a soviet mortar so if you don't get the MHT you're gonna be outgunned and will loose so much map control that the FHQ will have paid off, even if you manage to avoid manpower loses.

Jump back to quoted post22 May 2014, 02:08 AM1[][]

Well, at least I know what you're talking about. In 2v2 in certain maps like Semoisky one player goes for the HQ while the other works towards a super heavy ISU. Obviously "just bomb it" wont work because the other player WILL have mortars and snipers. Adding MG and AT to surround his map, while the second player goes conscript/penals then works to guards rifle. Playing offensively while FHQ guy fortifies EVERYTHING.