ISU 152 v Elephant
11 May 2014, 04:09 AM
#1
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Simple enough
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11 May 2014, 05:52 AM
#2
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both do not belong to this game.
How to make them belong to this game?
Reduce range to 75.
How to make them belong to this game?
Reduce range to 75.
11 May 2014, 06:03 AM
#3
Posts: 1248
both do not belong to this game.
How to make them belong to this game?
Reduce range to 75.
agreed!!!
11 May 2014, 06:27 AM
#4
Posts: 598
The Elefant is amazing against tanks but it's shit against infantry, ISU152 is amazing against infantry and great against tanks, which the Elefant is the only answer to ISU152. Now the ISU152 can do a lot of good damage against the Elefant and could possibly win with marked target.
If you think that both of these guys are OP then suggest a hulldown option, not a range reduction.
If you think that both of these guys are OP then suggest a hulldown option, not a range reduction.
11 May 2014, 06:27 AM
#5
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Solution imo: Decrease range on both the elefant and the ISU to like 75. Give the ISU a higher scatter ratio so it has a higher chance of missing gren squads. Reduce the dmg output of an elefant so that it's equivalent to a tiger, but give it an option to lock down(like the Marder in VCoH) where it is able to deal the dmg it has done before, but be forced into place. (Takes lets say 8 seconds for it to move out of place once it's put into place at w/e time you decide you want to move it). This allows for both units to still be effective, but with limitations. Arty, multiple tanks, etc... will be able to counter it effectively if unsupported/unwatched.
11 May 2014, 06:45 AM
#6
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Solution imo: Decrease range on both the elefant and the ISU to like 75. Give the ISU a higher scatter ratio so it has a higher chance of missing gren squads. Reduce the dmg output of an elefant so that it's equivalent to a tiger, but give it an option to lock down(like the Marder in VCoH) where it is able to deal the dmg it has done before, but be forced into place. (Takes lets say 8 seconds for it to move out of place once it's put into place at w/e time you decide you want to move it). This allows for both units to still be effective, but with limitations. Arty, multiple tanks, etc... will be able to counter it effectively if unsupported/unwatched.
Also agreed
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11 May 2014, 09:10 AM
#7
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If I could get another poll up I would put possible solutions, but for some reason that did not work
I will try again later
I will try again later
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11 May 2014, 09:29 AM
#8
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There are people who says: elephants are not op, they will never be op. lol
11 May 2014, 09:50 AM
#9
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Solution imo: Decrease range on both the elefant and the ISU to like 75. Give the ISU a higher scatter ratio so it has a higher chance of missing gren squads. Reduce the dmg output of an elefant so that it's equivalent to a tiger, but give it an option to lock down(like the Marder in VCoH) where it is able to deal the dmg it has done before, but be forced into place. (Takes lets say 8 seconds for it to move out of place once it's put into place at w/e time you decide you want to move it). This allows for both units to still be effective, but with limitations. Arty, multiple tanks, etc... will be able to counter it effectively if unsupported/unwatched.
Good idea, +1
Maybe even hardcapping them at (1 tank at a time) would help too.
11 May 2014, 10:23 AM
#10
Posts: 471
Solution imo: Decrease range on both the elefant and the ISU to like 75. Give the ISU a higher scatter ratio so it has a higher chance of missing gren squads. Reduce the dmg output of an elefant so that it's equivalent to a tiger, but give it an option to lock down(like the Marder in VCoH) where it is able to deal the dmg it has done before, but be forced into place. (Takes lets say 8 seconds for it to move out of place once it's put into place at w/e time you decide you want to move it). This allows for both units to still be effective, but with limitations. Arty, multiple tanks, etc... will be able to counter it effectively if unsupported/unwatched.
I think this is the perfect solution. Nerf both units' range and damage hard and then give them some of that nerfed range/damage back for hull down that takes enough time to deactivate that they can be killed with flanking, arty and/or callins.
11 May 2014, 10:34 AM
#11
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Reduction of range is pointless. These are not tanks, these are guns so range should be huge. For me solution is to decrease accuracy. For example if target is over 70, chance to hit is around 20%.
As for ISU, reduction of AI is an option. It could be a little better than IS-2.
Af for Elephant, AT power is good. Just reduce hp or armor cause properly set it cannot be flanked = cannot be destroyed.
As for ISU, reduction of AI is an option. It could be a little better than IS-2.
Af for Elephant, AT power is good. Just reduce hp or armor cause properly set it cannot be flanked = cannot be destroyed.
11 May 2014, 10:39 AM
#12
Posts: 85
Also both need to have more cps (to 15). Why is it even viable to save up solely for these tanks? Medium tanks should be required to be made first.
AT guns have 60 range, so a 75 range for an assault gun isnt unreasonable. There's no need to over complicate the changes and change health/accuracy/etc.
AT guns have 60 range, so a 75 range for an assault gun isnt unreasonable. There's no need to over complicate the changes and change health/accuracy/etc.
11 May 2014, 12:40 PM
#13
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A range reduction seems to be the easiest solution to implement. Im for it.
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11 May 2014, 15:47 PM
#14
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Lol at ISU-152 is OP and Elephant is not having 22 votes. The bias is strong.
11 May 2014, 15:54 PM
#15
Posts: 2779
Best solution, remove them from 1v1 and 2v2, then I don't give a fuck.
11 May 2014, 17:26 PM
#16
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Lol at ISU-152 is OP and Elephant is not having 22 votes. The bias is strong.
At least there is much more sane people who realize the actual situation, then one faction hypocrites.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
11 May 2014, 18:09 PM
#17
Posts: 177
Increase their reload times to at least 20 seconds, problem solved.
11 May 2014, 18:49 PM
#18
Posts: 308
Well the reason why Von and others are advocating for a range change is due to the effectiveness in 2 vs 2. Maps such as crossing the woods, minsk, and others the elefant and isu can shoot units from the other side of the map. The range really ruins 2 vs 2. I do agree with jin and von's solution, but knowing relic, they will over nerf them both.
11 May 2014, 19:14 PM
#19
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imo, I think you should also remove the abilities commanders and VET1 of both tanks:
- ELE remove; Scope, Smoke, Weak Point Target in VET1.
- ISU remove; Focus sight in VET1.
- ELE remove; Scope, Smoke, Weak Point Target in VET1.
- ISU remove; Focus sight in VET1.
11 May 2014, 20:03 PM
#20
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Just make them like Marder in PE and we fine
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