Stukd Bomb strike is not actually a problem to me. The only problem with that thing is when they drop on my arty.
But yes, Elephant does have a hell of a sight - so crazy with that thing.
ISU is still squad wiper. Bring me AT gun, Mg, infantry or whatever, I will wipe them clean of the map. If I can mark a P4 that rush into me then it's still gonna die lol...
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1 May 2014, 22:20 PM
#341
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1 May 2014, 22:43 PM
#342
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did someone post this somewhere while i wasn't looking. 
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1 May 2014, 22:53 PM
#343
Posts: 1439
After some more games I agree that something must to be done to ISU-152 long range potential. I would like to point out however that similar tweak need to be done to Elephant as well as its potential is equally crazy.
I think changes to long range accuracy (or whatever is called in CoH2) would be a good idea.
Longer range - smaller chance to hit something. This way both tanks could still be super range units but not as lethal as they are right now.
I think changes to long range accuracy (or whatever is called in CoH2) would be a good idea.
Longer range - smaller chance to hit something. This way both tanks could still be super range units but not as lethal as they are right now.
1 May 2014, 23:06 PM
#344
Posts: 1701
Ive been using Elefant since a lot months, and I can say Elefant has pretty shit accuracy at max range.
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1 May 2014, 23:12 PM
#345
Posts: 4630 | Subs: 2
Agree, let me just quote myself from different topic:
"Elephnat and ISU range is not the problem. Let it be 100 but just reduce accuracy. For example (idk how this is sovled. Its just example) 1-50 95% chance to hit, 51-60 85% and over 60 it could be drastically decreased, 61-70 70%, 71-80 60%, 81-90 50% and 91-100 35%. That is just example how mechanic should works in my opinion."
Range is OK. Just reduce accuracy with distance.
"Elephnat and ISU range is not the problem. Let it be 100 but just reduce accuracy. For example (idk how this is sovled. Its just example) 1-50 95% chance to hit, 51-60 85% and over 60 it could be drastically decreased, 61-70 70%, 71-80 60%, 81-90 50% and 91-100 35%. That is just example how mechanic should works in my opinion."
Range is OK. Just reduce accuracy with distance.
1 May 2014, 23:29 PM
#346
Posts: 381
Agree, let me just quote myself from different topic:
"Elephnat and ISU range is not the problem. Let it be 100 but just reduce accuracy. For example (idk how this is sovled. Its just example) 1-50 95% chance to hit, 51-60 85% and over 60 it could be drastically decreased, 61-70 70%, 71-80 60%, 81-90 50% and 91-100 35%. That is just example how mechanic should works in my opinion."
Range is OK. Just reduce accuracy with distance.
That won't help with ISU being AT, AI, and long range. Elephant needs a sight decrease on binocs that's for sure. 75 range for would help considering how small most of the maps are in all modes.
1 May 2014, 23:59 PM
#347
Posts: 1439
Ive been using Elefant since a lot months, and I can say Elefant has pretty shit accuracy at max range.
No with recent patch it doesn't.
2 May 2014, 00:13 AM
#348
Posts: 379
I'd really like to see both Elephant and ISU-152mm hard capped at 1 and have a lock down ability similar to the KV-2.
At the moment both are too powerful and have no counter.
At the moment both are too powerful and have no counter.
2 May 2014, 00:22 AM
#349
Posts: 419
I dont think ranged accuracy should be the nerf, it should be in rear armor and close range penetration. The problem is even if you get close to these things that out range everything, they are still hard to kill, except with other heavies. I think at close range,frontal shots and rear armor shots against them should have higher penetration values than current ones.
2 May 2014, 00:23 AM
#350
Posts: 419
I'd really like to see both Elephant and ISU-152mm hard capped at 1 and have a lock down ability similar to the KV-2.Well the counter to the elefant is everything that isnt a tank.
At the moment both are too powerful and have no counter.
2 May 2014, 00:35 AM
#351
Posts: 954
Well the counter to the elefant is everything that isnt a tank.
yeah,sounds like soviet have a panzershreck exists in your imagination.
First off all. Tripwire so gud, 10 ammo for a whole dead squad ? + sight.
Vehicle capture point can win games, blitzkrieg save a tank. Fair Deal i think
2 May 2014, 00:45 AM
#352
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Posts: 117
An accuracy nerf does nothing to address the fact that if it does connect it will still 1-shot your squad. That change would just make the game even more RNG-dependent.
2 May 2014, 01:01 AM
#353
Posts: 381
yeah,sounds like soviet have a panzershreck exists in your imagination.
No but they have satchel charges. Trust me you plant like 3 of those on it its not so bad.
2 May 2014, 09:26 AM
#354
Posts: 1026
If I was in charge of balance I would just eliminate both units from the game entirely.
But hey.
But hey.
2 May 2014, 09:49 AM
#355
Posts: 17914 | Subs: 8
Well the counter to the elefant is everything that isnt a tank.
If it only wasn't for that MG42 wall before the elephant and ostwind next to it...
AT nading 1000+hp doesn't sound like an idea either and its rather hard to surprise ele with AT guns due to tunnel vision and map hacking scopes.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
2 May 2014, 09:52 AM
#356
Posts: 1158
ISU-152 this patch is a killing machine.
That's the function of all machines in this game...
29 Jul 2014, 12:16 PM by siuking666:
T34/76 is NOT a joke on my hands; Maybe on your hands you make it suck shit? but on me, No. I can kill a stug with a little micro, go toe to toe with a Panzer 4. Is it a joke? LOL T34/85 is apparently a very good tank. But no one says it "one hit wipe" or elefant penetration; up to a point i think this little medium tank just have too much health and too much firepower with that fuel cost.
2 May 2014, 10:12 AM
#357
Posts: 85
If u happen to get panzers or a panther, and the opponent saves up for an ISU (which you can't predict easily, since he could just have a commander that saves up T34/85s). Then you'll have a much harder time than the Soviets.
ISU just needs to be restricted to come out later. Higher CP, or that it requires T3/T4. It doesn't fit well that a heavy late war tank can come so early.
ISU just needs to be restricted to come out later. Higher CP, or that it requires T3/T4. It doesn't fit well that a heavy late war tank can come so early.
2 May 2014, 10:29 AM
#358
Posts: 1734
Permanently Bannedthe problem isnot it comes early, i wouldnot care if it could come at 1 CP, but oneshoot ability isnot fair.
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2 May 2014, 11:34 AM
#359
Posts: 1701
Soviets have ISU? If you dont have elefant its gg.
Germans have Elefant? Dont go T4/ISU/IS2 and spam T34/Sherman.
Germans have Elefant? Dont go T4/ISU/IS2 and spam T34/Sherman.
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2 May 2014, 11:50 AM
#360
Posts: 10
Soviets have ISU? If you dont have elefant its gg.
Germans have Elefant? Dont go T4/ISU/IS2 and spam T34/Sherman.
If your opponent goes ISU and you don´t have an Elefant (talking 2v2), you´re absolutely right.
The second statement is also right, but it´s still not a viable counter. Those tanks get engine damage from fausts 100% of the time. If the Elefant is halfway protected (which THEY always are), you will lose the smaller tanks one by one while the Elefant needs repairs at best (= you lose MP/fuel, he doesn´t).
It´s annoying how every 2v2 has turned into ISU vs. Elefant, which the latter wins.
Both need a nerf as suggested in Cruzz´ thread. And apart from that, yes, the ISU should not be so strong vs Inf after the AT buff.
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