ISU-152

Jump back to quoted post4 May 2014, 11:25 AMCardboard Tank

You are missing the point. Germans have to go Elefant to not lose. All I saw in that video were horribly microed T-34/85s rushing over the river and getting stuck. And god forbid that the Elefant beats the ISU! The ISU only has superb anti infantry capabilities while also being good versus armor, while the Elefant only excels at anti-tank, guess who should win.

The problem is if the Germans don´t go for Elefant, they usually have lost. And that´s super boring. There are people who play for fun, not to win. And going Elefant every game isn´t fun.

Jump back to quoted post4 May 2014, 13:30 PMJaigen

You mean the Volga river. When the Germans where in the city Stalingrad had very little economic worth to the Germans or soviets. While Stalingrad was a very good position to cut the volga of it could be done at any point of the river.

Also while the 6th army was in Stalingrad the germans assaulted the Caucasus. Operation Uranus was their to destroy the 6th army that guarded the flank of the Caucasus offensive but the city itself was worthless.

Jump back to quoted post4 May 2014, 14:35 PMEquinoxFox

You´re right. Without an Elefant you will have a really tough time vs ISU. The problem is that you cannot exploit the weakness of the Elefant (= infantry) because there is no Soviet infantry with strong enough AT capabilities to take it out. The Elefant lets you dominate all armor, thus your Ostwind or whatever can kill all inf without worrying about tanks.

Jump back to quoted post4 May 2014, 14:40 PMBurts

The assault on Caucasus itself was also a horrible mistake. Had hitler not split up his forces he probaly could of taken Stalingrad.

Jump back to quoted post4 May 2014, 14:35 PMEquinoxFox

You´re right. Without an Elefant you will have a really tough time vs ISU. The problem is that you cannot exploit the weakness of the Elefant (= infantry) because there is no Soviet infantry with strong enough AT capabilities to take it out. The Elefant lets you dominate all armor, thus your Ostwind or whatever can kill all inf without worrying about tanks.

Jump back to quoted post4 May 2014, 13:27 PMtokarev

The main objective of operation Case Blue was Caucasus and all of its oil.
Stalingrad was second objective.

Jump back to quoted post4 May 2014, 14:40 PMBurts

The assault on Caucasus itself was also a horrible mistake. Had hitler not split up his forces he probaly could of taken Stalingrad.

Jump back to quoted post4 May 2014, 15:50 PMthe_onion_man

How many years has it been since vCOH was released and people are still complaining about the Allies' lack of handheld AT? It's called ARMY DESIGN.

Jump back to quoted post5 May 2014, 03:24 AMpantherswag

That's not really true. Americans had Airborne Recoiless rifles, and you didn't need to pay 3.99 for it.

Jump back to quoted post5 May 2014, 02:17 AMPuppetmaster

After watching Jamin / Suprise vs iTzDusty / Sepharim game on streams just now, they did suffer a lot to the ISU's 1 shotting but the elephant was dishing out a lot of damage to their armour. ISU does need rebalancing but I feel the Elephant needs adjusting a bit as well, maybe just removing spotting scopes because although its AI is crappy, it just eats armour and ISU's for breakfast and the natural counters are not that great at it (arty is nullified by the stuka, soviets dont have decent infantry based at). AT Gun spam appears to be the only way to beat it.

If the damage of the ISU was lowered, does that change aoe damage at all?

Jump back to quoted post5 May 2014, 08:10 AMKatitof

Well, people thinking one is OP but the other is fine are batshit crazy.
Either both of them are op or none is.

Worst thing is, there is nothing that can really be done about them both except lowering damage and reload to 6s and dmg to 160. Unless they will be "generalized" this way, both will remain batshit crazy op.

Jump back to quoted post5 May 2014, 08:35 AMPorygon

Despite of your usual batshit, it is quite easy indirect nerfing these two unit.

- remove their scope
- hull down like marder III or it is just a Pak40 on wheels
- still remove their scope and cone sight then they would need spotter to work


- ISU HE shell definitely need to go away