Then you definitely see things.
If sniper can't directly see it, it can't shoot at it.
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18 Mar 2014, 22:02 PM
#41
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Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
18 Mar 2014, 23:37 PM
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You realize that snipers are more effective on foot?
No missed shots and you can select what to engage, something that is impossible with M3.
Then why do you always see sniper IN M3 early game? Because:
Sniper in M3 is more mobile
You can backpedal in m3 while still shooting. If you dont have m3s you have to retrat much earlier
19 Mar 2014, 00:22 AM
#43
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Then why do you always see sniper IN M3 early game? Because:
Sniper in M3 is more mobile
You can backpedal in m3 while still shooting. If you dont have m3s you have to retrat much earlier
Not really.
M3s are fail safes for med skilled players.
You will never find top 200 players going with dual sniper and dual M3, that doesn't work.
You will either see a single sniper in M3(which is a waste, because you have 440mp/20fu doing exactly what 360mp can do alone if you have half decent micro and conscripts before you) or dual snipers on foot that are vulnerable to long flanks.
You're really exaggerating by saying that you always see snipers in M3s.
Its just as popular as snipers on foot with better players not using M3s for snipers, but for flame CEs, which allow much more offensive use and actually allow M3 to pay for itself.
The better your micro is, the less you will rely on M3s and more on your own positioning.
I'm not super skilled, but even I don't use M3s anymore, well, not for snipers anyway.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
19 Mar 2014, 02:55 AM
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Double scoutcar seems like way too much fuel investment. I´ll rather get some AT nades and screen with some scripts.
@Katitof: the early M3 sniper gives you mobility and harrasment abilities while a single sniper wont be able to do so. Don´t overestimate the M3 mg. Once you have more units to screen your sniper, you may want to switch it with some flamer or Guards (if you want to heavy counter a 222/HT).
Snipers are more effective on foot, when you have enough units on the map.
@Katitof: the early M3 sniper gives you mobility and harrasment abilities while a single sniper wont be able to do so. Don´t overestimate the M3 mg. Once you have more units to screen your sniper, you may want to switch it with some flamer or Guards (if you want to heavy counter a 222/HT).
Snipers are more effective on foot, when you have enough units on the map.
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19 Mar 2014, 09:45 AM
#45
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Yes, Kaitof, you're wrong there. In 2v2, the mobility of the M3 is king. It means I can force my opponent off the map then very, very quickly rush over to help my teammate. That means more map control, earlier, which means more resources, and in a game where teching is very fast, that means everything.
Also, a sniper in an M3 is much less vulnerable to a scout car then one on foot. The M3 can get to safety faster, and the sniper is much less likely to be meet an unfortunate death on retreat from pursuing units.
Also, a sniper in an M3 is much less vulnerable to a scout car then one on foot. The M3 can get to safety faster, and the sniper is much less likely to be meet an unfortunate death on retreat from pursuing units.
19 Mar 2014, 11:02 AM
#46
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Not really.
M3s are fail safes for med skilled players.
You will never find top 200 players going with dual sniper and dual M3, that doesn't work.
You will either see a single sniper in M3(which is a waste, because you have 440mp/20fu doing exactly what 360mp can do alone if you have half decent micro and conscripts before you) or dual snipers on foot that are vulnerable to long flanks.
You're really exaggerating by saying that you always see snipers in M3s.
Its just as popular as snipers on foot with better players not using M3s for snipers, but for flame CEs, which allow much more offensive use and actually allow M3 to pay for itself.
The better your micro is, the less you will rely on M3s and more on your own positioning.
I'm not super skilled, but even I don't use M3s anymore, well, not for snipers anyway.
LOL, you never see top 30 Cpt. Molo? the guy who spam clown car 24/7?
19 Mar 2014, 11:32 AM
#47
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wonder what would happen if you popped 2 snipers in the halftrack.
19 Mar 2014, 12:28 PM
#48
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wonder what would happen if you popped 2 snipers in the halftrack.
P4 drives by for a free kill.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
19 Mar 2014, 18:29 PM
#49
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wonder what would happen if you popped 2 snipers in the halftrack.
Ive done it. With Overdrive its a SOB. Used it to clear Shrek Blobs. Very Very expensive but effective if you can keep it alive.
The PTRS's are fine as they are. Whenever i'm up against Guard Infantry, I always have to be careful with my vehicles or the Guards will completely destroy them. Good range, good damage and fairly cheap; if anything, the PTRS should nerfed since it's ridiculously good for the price. Even in the hands of Conscripts, the PTRS's are extremely potent.
19 Mar 2014, 18:40 PM
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funny how you think ambush camo actually, like, works...
" Ambush Camouflage has its issues but with grens you can faust M3's and pounce on snipers from cover."
Camo isn't very consistent but it has been improved a bit in the last patch. Now each individual that enter cover goes camo instead of needing the whole unit in cover.
20 Mar 2014, 08:46 AM
#51
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" Ambush Camouflage has its issues but with grens you can faust M3's and pounce on snipers from cover."
Camo isn't very consistent but it has been improved a bit in the last patch. Now each individual that enter cover goes camo instead of needing the whole unit in cover.
Still ruins it because he sees the "4" and may already know that you went Jaeger Infantry. Put 2 and 2 together you get get that the fucker is hiding 3 others at the nearest cover.
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20 Mar 2014, 09:09 AM
#52
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Ive done it. With Overdrive its a SOB. Used it to clear Shrek Blobs. Very Very expensive but effective if you can keep it alive.
I did that in all missions in that whole campaign
20 Mar 2014, 12:00 PM
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What? Look the replay from OMGPOP and CieZ dude... 3 clown cars.. 3!!!!!!!!! ridiculous XD
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21 Mar 2014, 19:06 PM
#54
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What? Look the replay from OMGPOP and CieZ dude... 3 clown cars.. 3!!!!!!!!! ridiculous XD
I'm sorry, what was the point of mentioning that replay?
Yeah, he had 3 scout cars and only 1 had a sniper in it. Also, during the majority of the time the scouts were up his side was LOSING decisively. They won the game on an excellently executed tank rush/flank that had nothing to do with snipers or scout cars.
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