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Sorban
27 Jan 2014, 07:55 AM
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Maybe in the SNF final the mg's was the bigger problem, not the fht. Or the combo of both.
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Katitof
27 Jan 2014, 08:26 AM
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One thing that is being worth mentioning-it was also said that if FHT and quad were to loose reinforce, then at least in 251 case default weapons would be buffed.
jump backJump back to quoted post25 Nov 2015, 11:09 AM$nuffy
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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link0
27 Jan 2014, 09:00 AM
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Waaaaaay too big of a nerf.
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DerBaer
27 Jan 2014, 09:03 AM
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Halftracks are fine. One AT gun, or guards and the HT/ FHT is history. There are really more important things to look at...
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GustavGans
27 Jan 2014, 10:08 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post27 Jan 2014, 09:03 AMDerBaer
Halftracks are fine. One AT gun, or guards and the HT/ FHT is history. There are really more important things to look at...


+1

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Turtle
27 Jan 2014, 11:10 AM
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Making the upgraded versions of the 251 discreet units form the basic forms allows them to do things like make the base HT a bit better, to make people want to use them more, then there would be less expectation for the flame HT to inherit all those benefits.

Same goes for the M5
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Unshavenbackman
27 Jan 2014, 11:39 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post27 Jan 2014, 07:55 AMSorban
Maybe in the SNF final the mg's was the bigger problem, not the fht. Or the combo of both.


Or the reluctancy to get a zisgun or mortar. Bad play shouldnt be a an example for changing the game.
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Greeb
27 Jan 2014, 12:10 PM
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What about increasing reinforcing cost in HTs?
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Aradan
27 Jan 2014, 12:22 PM
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Halftrack and scout cars need some camuflage in wehicle green cover.
I want to have the same chance, to win for each side.
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rafiki
27 Jan 2014, 12:57 PM
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you all say that FHT is fine. But yesterday 5-0 for german because mainly of it. Of course it is because it was very good players playing it. But 5-0 !!!

guards is not a counter in 1vs1. You need shock to figth against PG. Remain Ziz, T70 and T34. But they can fail as seen yesterday

So perhaps FHT is fine. But don't say it to OMGPOP :P
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dasheepeh
27 Jan 2014, 13:21 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post27 Jan 2014, 12:10 PMGreeb
What about increasing reinforcing cost in HTs?
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Paranoia
27 Jan 2014, 13:21 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post27 Jan 2014, 12:10 PMGreeb
What about increasing reinforcing cost in HTs?

^^^
Best suggestion yet!!
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Rizza
27 Jan 2014, 15:25 PM
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The halftrack should still be allowed to reinforce with the flamers but I think the muni cost of upgrading to the flamers should reduce to 60 muni along with a nerf to the flame damage.

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Z3r07
27 Jan 2014, 15:37 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post27 Jan 2014, 12:10 PMGreeb
What about increasing reinforcing cost in HTs?


jump backJump back to quoted post27 Jan 2014, 13:21 PMParanoia

^^^
Best suggestion yet!!


I agree, very smart
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Durendal
27 Jan 2014, 16:17 PM
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FHT is one of the only viable early game counters to shocks, moving the flame upgrade to t3 will probably cause more problems than it will resolve, you can quote the 5-0 german victory on yesterdays SNF but what of the cumulative stats for the whole tourney? Its pretty easy to take a subset of a sample and try to make an argument without providing proper context =/ Im by no means an expert so take my opinions with a grain of salt if you want but I think energy could be better invested dealing with other issues
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Katitof
27 Jan 2014, 16:26 PM
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And who said anything about moving FHT upgrade to T3?

All that was said by PQ was that taking away reinforce after upgrade and buffing default weapons could be an option.
jump backJump back to quoted post25 Nov 2015, 11:09 AM$nuffy
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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Porygon
27 Jan 2014, 16:26 PM
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Yeah, yeah

nerf the already nerfed HT so more shocks can roflroll the game
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VonIvan
27 Jan 2014, 16:28 PM
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Honestly the Soviet wins in the beginning to mid SNF were due to the large buffs given to them, ever since they introduced an accuracy penalty on tanks the Ostheer don't have to worry about their paks/shreck squads getting wiped so quickly, as well as the changes given to the ppsh and the suppression buff added to the mg42 has now allowed the Ostheer to worry less in the early game. Some would argue 1 CP shocks could easily solve this problem and are a problem in itself, but because most Ostheer players that I have encountered now happily embrace using the fht as a counter it's much harder for the Soviets to get a hold on things early-to mid game I find in 1v1.
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rafiki
27 Jan 2014, 16:29 PM
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Indeed. It have to be study more generaly.

And in SNF they failed to counter it but, they were close to do it and who know what would had happened if they success. Soviet were in a good position before it
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Durendal
27 Jan 2014, 16:30 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post27 Jan 2014, 16:26 PMKatitof
And who said anything about moving FHT upgrade to T3?

All that was said by PQ was that taking away reinforce after upgrade and buffing default weapons could be an option.


Several people in this thread suggested it, that's what I was referring to I could have been more clear my apologies.

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