Give them OOrah and more suppresion resistance,and cheapen the satchel.
They're already pretty good when used right anyways
Penal Battalion anyone?
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21 Jan 2014, 01:26 AM
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21 Jan 2014, 09:04 AM
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1.25 armor? Reduce reinforcement cost to 20? Reduce initial price to 320?
They need some love.
This would work nicely
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21 Jan 2014, 12:20 PM
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Well you don't want to overbuff them. I think a cost reduction would be fair enough. Personally I'd let them get Bazooka's too, because T1 is really lacking on the AT front.
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21 Jan 2014, 12:42 PM
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Give them OOrah and more suppresion resistance,and cheapen the satchel.
They're already pretty good when used right anyways
I think they get oorah with vet 2, now don't they? And satchel price is fair because it inflicts some devastating damage to both vehicles and infantry.
I would love to see cheaper reinforcement cost because the only way to keep them alive is to constantly retreat them after they throw a satchel.
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21 Jan 2014, 12:45 PM
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I think they get oorah with vet 2, now don't they? And satchel price is fair because it inflicts some devastating damage to both vehicles and infantry.
They do.
Anyway, I think 300MP and Bazooka upgrade (which is more my personal wish than a concrete suggestion) would be fair.
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21 Jan 2014, 15:17 PM
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Yes, definitely 300 mp sounds like a fair price for a suicidal bombing squad
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22 Jan 2014, 03:20 AM
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Yes, definitely 300 mp sounds like a fair price for a suicidal bombing squad
Well don't forget they have SVT Rifles, which make them superior to Grenadiers.
Personally, I feel like Penal Troops are more akin to Assault Grenadiers, since both units trade their AT ability for increase base AI. Since Assault Grenadiers are 320 Manpower, 300 seems like an okay price for Penals (or for both, actually).
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22 Jan 2014, 04:00 AM
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Perhaps they could be given some sort of durability bonus when the flamer upgrade is purchased and allow them to fulfill their role?
22 Jan 2014, 04:02 AM
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They do.
Anyway, I think 300MP and Bazooka upgrade (which is more my personal wish than a concrete suggestion) would be fair.
What about moli's and at nades upgrades apply to penals aswell, or at least AT nades.
22 Jan 2014, 04:04 AM
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What about moli's and at nades upgrades apply to penals aswell, or at least AT nades.
The problem with native AT in T1 is that then Ost would not be able to use armored cars to hunt down snipers. T1 for Soviets forces Ost into a T2 tech. So you know that he is going to be playing T1, T2, and then T3, giving AT would completely prevent Ost from doing anything.
22 Jan 2014, 05:00 AM
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Perhaps they could be given some sort of durability bonus when the flamer upgrade is purchased and allow them to fulfill their role?
I like this. +1
22 Jan 2014, 05:58 AM
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The problem with native AT in T1 is that then Ost would not be able to use armored cars to hunt down snipers. T1 for Soviets forces Ost into a T2 tech. So you know that he is going to be playing T1, T2, and then T3, giving AT would completely prevent Ost from doing anything.
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22 Jan 2014, 06:01 AM
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Well don't forget they have SVT Rifles, which make them superior to Grenadiers.
Personally, I feel like Penal Troops are more akin to Assault Grenadiers, since both units trade their AT ability for increase base AI. Since Assault Grenadiers are 320 Manpower, 300 seems like an okay price for Penals (or for both, actually).
They are better AI than agrens. They shouldnt cost less. Maybe the other way around. Penals 320 agrens 300
The PTRS's are fine as they are. Whenever i'm up against Guard Infantry, I always have to be careful with my vehicles or the Guards will completely destroy them. Good range, good damage and fairly cheap; if anything, the PTRS should nerfed since it's ridiculously good for the price. Even in the hands of Conscripts, the PTRS's are extremely potent.
22 Jan 2014, 06:47 AM
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I like this. +1
Either that or make the flamethrower model get increased armor
22 Jan 2014, 08:03 AM
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They are better AI than agrens. They shouldnt cost less. Maybe the other way around. Penals 320 agrens 300
Keep in mind that Grenadiers have 1.5 Armour, while Penals have 1.0 (i.e. none). Even though Penals have higher DPS with their SVT-40's, the Armour puts the Assault Grenadiers on equal ground.
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22 Jan 2014, 08:20 AM
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Yesterday I tried them after a while and they are goo-ood. I would however reduce a cost a bit OR give a little more armor.
On background with Conscripts with PPSHs (or Shocks if possible) they annihilate enemy squads. I even managed to kill retrieving squads that were almost full health.
Today I will try with Scout car, of course the problem is that it's getting very expensive unit so it requires good micro.
On background with Conscripts with PPSHs (or Shocks if possible) they annihilate enemy squads. I even managed to kill retrieving squads that were almost full health.
Today I will try with Scout car, of course the problem is that it's getting very expensive unit so it requires good micro.
22 Jan 2014, 08:51 AM
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Penals costing 320mp would be perfect.
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22 Jan 2014, 09:47 AM
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Well don't forget they have SVT Rifles, which make them superior to Grenadiers.
Personally, I feel like Penal Troops are more akin to Assault Grenadiers, since both units trade their AT ability for increase base AI. Since Assault Grenadiers are 320 Manpower, 300 seems like an okay price for Penals (or for both, actually).
Only until grens get LMG or G43, then grens become vastly superior to penals.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
22 Jan 2014, 13:36 PM
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Penals need much better vet bonuses if they're not going to get weapon upgrades, because with munition upgrades grens beat them pretty easy. They're ok for early game right now (even if arguably a sniper is a better investment if you have the micro for them), but quickly become obsolete as the game continues, getting relegated to satchel suicide squads even at vet3 because they lose so badly to vet3 grens with an lmg, nevermind g43s.
22 Jan 2014, 14:39 PM
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The main bad things with Penals - cost and only 1 armor.
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