Shocktroops at 1CP

Jump back to quoted post17 Dec 2013, 23:23 PMlink0

Wow I completely disagree with the OP. Shocks are horrible for their cost. I just hard-counter them with LMG grens and a sniper. I always laugh when I see shocks.

Jump back to quoted post17 Dec 2013, 21:16 PMNapalm

Shock Troops can be countered. I know because I've played them since day 1. .

Jump back to quoted post18 Dec 2013, 01:41 AMzimmozman

we all played them since day 1 we arnt talking about that we are talking about since the cp system change they come out 2 early its a fact only soviet fanboys cant see this a lmg gren squad is not a hard counter to shock troops even when veted they can only kill like 2 models before being forced to retreat

Jump back to quoted post18 Dec 2013, 01:52 AMLethallegacy

this has nothing to do with anything but damn thats how i feel vs pgrens except no moddles are lost lol

Jump back to quoted post18 Dec 2013, 00:03 AMPaRaNo1a

Show us a replay of your games oh mighty lnk0!!! Teach us how to counter early shocks

Jump back to quoted post18 Dec 2013, 03:01 AMImagelessbean

I also don't understand this. Are you saying PG's are too good and have no hard counters when they come out? You are aware Penals with flames do a good job against them and maxims just straight out stop them. Snipers bleed them dry extremely quickly. In addition, they came out at approximately the same time as shocks before. They only came out early if a German completely forgoes T1, at which point you should expect them and get snipers (or maxims if you already have T2).

Also I just played some more and in every team game I played shocks and guards were deployed as the third units. This was extremely hard to counter. I tried mg's, snipers, and grens. Ultimately without a Flame HT I had no way to slow this down, and that took too long forcing me to give up all of the map. In addition, a single mine or conscript nade would force the HT off.

What was the logic behind making elite troops come out sooner?

Jump back to quoted post18 Dec 2013, 03:43 AMlink0

I would if good players actually used shocks in 1v1. People don't use shocks because they are just sniper food.

Jump back to quoted post18 Dec 2013, 08:17 AMGustavGans

Well this isn't about 1v1 only. As others mentioned before, in 2v2 the combo of early shocks with early guards is extremely powerful and totally changes 2v2 gameplay.

@link0, we all know you are a super pro player and everything but from a gameplay point of view, do you really like elite infantry appearing only few minutes into the game?

I for myself don't for the reason Ciez stated before in this thread.

Jump back to quoted post18 Dec 2013, 06:20 AMSgtBulldog

There's actually a point there. I don't remember seeing many - if any - shocks in the SNF tourney.

If high level players don't use them, surely they aren't that good?

Jump back to quoted post18 Dec 2013, 16:02 PMNataris

Then maybe Guards are too strong...not Shocks. You have to view it from a 1v1 perspective to start with when balancing. Shocks at 1CP in 1v1 is fine.

Guards is an entirely different subject, let alone Guards+Shock combo.

Jump back to quoted post18 Dec 2013, 16:02 PMNataris

Then maybe Guards are too strong...not Shocks. You have to view it from a 1v1 perspective to start with when balancing. Shocks at 1CP in 1v1 is fine.

Guards is an entirely different subject, let alone Guards+Shock combo.