Shocktroops at 1CP

Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2013, 04:38 AMOmega_Warrior

Guards are fine at 1cp. They aren't as effective as shocks and can be handled with upgraded grens and mgs. They need to be out before the vehicles to effectively counter them which they sometimes didn't in the old vet.

Shocks are a bit too potent a 1 cp, mostly because they come out before any real counters, which are mostly vehicles. There is no reason to tie guards into the shocks issue. Guards fine right now.

Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2013, 00:56 AMZtormi

Mg42 should be the main counter to shocks, with the flamer pios, but you need 2 mgs to counter one unit of shocks. Plus flamers are unreliable because of spontaneous combustion. The game really feels like shocks aren't meant to come so early.

edit. plus there is no single reason why to get Penals now. Shocktroops outclass them in everyway even if they are a little bit more expensive.

Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2013, 10:29 AMSgtBulldog

NO? Elite infantry shouldn't be stopped cold at a regular basis by HMGs. Just imagine if that was Applied to the Maxim..

Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2013, 10:39 AMMr. Someguy

It already does apply to the Maxim though. Panzergrenadiers are as elite as German Infantry gets, and they hit the dirt half-way through the first Maxim burst. Tell me why Soviet Infantry should get a pass on the Ost's (technically superior) MG?

Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2013, 11:51 AMMr. Someguy

So because Shocks are special (they're not, they come with like 5 commanders), they should be infallible? Shocks already have good guns, smoke grenades, grenades (way better than Ost grenades), and a 2.25 armour rating (highest infantry armour in the game). They don't need the ability to walk through machine gun fire and wipe out the crew.

If anything the points are reversed. If a Panzergrenadier squad is suppressed by Maxim fire, you can either try to crawl away or retreat. If a Shock Troop squad is hit by MG 42 fire, they can pop a smoke grenade, walk out, and go around to kill 'em if the gun isn't supported (or hell, maybe it is, not like those Osttruppen or Grenadiers are gonna stop those Shocks, at least not before they can kill the MG).

Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2013, 12:10 PMAradan

You want defeat 440MP with 240MP? I you use MG42 and PzG (or sniper), you win everytime.

In your logic i want my Zis-3 win everytime versus panther.


OMG people. This is one hardes game ever. I play many times, but offten i still play as newbie. Micro, right units and timing abbilities. You must learn this game years, before you can be good. I am not, but hard work on it.

Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2013, 10:29 AMSgtBulldog

NO? Elite infantry shouldn't be stopped cold at a regular basis by HMGs. Just imagine if that was Applied to the Maxim..

Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2013, 10:39 AMMr. Someguy

It already does apply to the Maxim though. Panzergrenadiers are as elite as German Infantry gets, and they hit the dirt half-way through the first Maxim burst. Tell me why Soviet Infantry should get a pass on the Ost's (technically superior) MG?

Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2013, 13:24 PMZtormi

So what is the primary early game counter to shocks in your opinion then?
I know what you're going to say; vehicles, but there are barely any sensible vehicles available at 1cp. Smoke grenade is just another get me out of the jail free card stupid ability which should be removed.