Why isnt there a RTS with using more than boring Rock paper Scissors and health bar Mechincs
CoH uses Angles, Sourroundings, Elevation, Supply Lines, Soft Counters, Ranges, which all affect gameplay and make a cool mix.
Why is there no developer who sees potential for more interesting mechanics than rock paper scissors?
Why no other RTS
11 Jul 2024, 20:04 PM
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11 Jul 2024, 21:06 PM
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I ask myself this same question all the time. I guess no one wants to steal the 5k player base away from Coh.
If I was any good at modeling I could have made a game by myself in a year that would be playable.
Seems like a no brainer for a real company to make.
But you have all these weirdos who cry that the patch on some unit is not 100% authentic. And who the hell wants to deal with them as your customer base??? So a real world game is not worth the money you would spend in research.
Was DOW2 even close to as big as COH2?
I have been tempted to mod Quake 3 and turn it into an RTS. Get away from the real world weirdos at least.
If I was any good at modeling I could have made a game by myself in a year that would be playable.
Seems like a no brainer for a real company to make.
But you have all these weirdos who cry that the patch on some unit is not 100% authentic. And who the hell wants to deal with them as your customer base??? So a real world game is not worth the money you would spend in research.
Was DOW2 even close to as big as COH2?
I have been tempted to mod Quake 3 and turn it into an RTS. Get away from the real world weirdos at least.
11 Jul 2024, 23:41 PM
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Why isnt there a RTS with using more than boring Rock paper Scissors and health bar Mechincs
CoH uses Angles, Sourroundings, Elevation, Supply Lines, Soft Counters, Ranges, which all affect gameplay and make a cool mix.
Why is there no developer who sees potential for more interesting mechanics than rock paper scissors?
Because RTS is a niche-genre since 15 years already.
12 Jul 2024, 00:06 AM
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I wonder this myself often, especially after I see people losing their shit over stuff like Stormgat. I look at that and see only an insanely ugly bit of digital trash.
It's really hard to make a proper RTS. I have far too much to do professionally but I've kept a design document buried in my files of a dream RTS that takes the best of Company of Heroes and Battle for Middle-Earth II. I might have enough time to try making something like that in a year or so.
It's really hard to make a proper RTS. I have far too much to do professionally but I've kept a design document buried in my files of a dream RTS that takes the best of Company of Heroes and Battle for Middle-Earth II. I might have enough time to try making something like that in a year or so.
12 Jul 2024, 12:15 PM
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Because RTS is a niche-genre since 15 years already.
It is a niche genre because they rely on the same uninspired mechanics and don't see the obvious. and i asky myself why
12 Jul 2024, 13:49 PM
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It is a niche genre because they rely on the same uninspired mechanics
It is definitely not that. They are niche because the average gamer does not want to invest 1000h into a game just to learn the basics.
And massively dumbed-down RTS does not work either as we all know from the past.
12 Jul 2024, 16:49 PM
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Company of Heroes and Battle for Middle-Earth II
Man.. that reminds me of that LOTR-themed turn-based tactics game for the Gameboy Advance.
Sounds like fun! Would you be able to choose a "hero" character like in DoW?
"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?..The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and... the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough...We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956
12 Jul 2024, 19:27 PM
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It is definitely not that. They are niche because the average gamer does not want to invest 1000h into a game just to learn the basics.
Why are MobAs the most popular genre then?
13 Jul 2024, 05:08 AM
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Why are MobAs the most popular genre then?
Let me fix the quote for aerafield:
It is definitely not that. They are niche because the average gamer does not want to invest 1000h into a game just to learn the basics of a game that their friends never play
"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?..The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and... the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough...We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956
13 Jul 2024, 15:53 PM
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Man.. that reminds me of that LOTR-themed turn-based tactics game for the Gameboy Advance.
Sounds like fun! Would you be able to choose a "hero" character like in DoW?
My idea was that you'd create a hero and you'd be able to switch them between different classes/archetypes that would more-or-less simulate the features of doctrines/commanders. There would be light RPG stuff in between battles too, the idea was to have something like Age of Empires Online's Home City that you could also decorate and customize. I also wanted something like Shogun 2's Avatar Conquest for the multiplayer, where your random battles add progress towards capturing territories for your clan/faction/whatever in an overarching conflict. Could even do Helldivers 2-style events and stuff for that level.
Of course, all that is secondary to having a good RTS. But Starcraft proved that even a mechanically uninteresting game can still attract a vast audience based on the stuff surrounding the gameplay.
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