Conscript PTRS AT-grenade ability

Jump back to quoted post5 Apr 2022, 01:27 AMWilly Pete

Ptrs cons are amazing, i use em all the time in 2v2. If u changed the AT nade ability they would prob be too strong

My opening build order for that cmdr:
Conscript, t1, penal, penal, penal, conscript, (upgrade 1st con to ptrs) muni cache

U upgrade the 2nd con to ptrs around the time medium tank hit the field. Use the penals for ur infantry fighting force

Jump back to quoted post9 Apr 2022, 13:09 PMgeneral_gawain

Without choosing a commander I could go for:

Conscript, t1, penal, penal, penal, penal, (upgrade one penal to ptrs) muni cache

Using the cons for Hoorah + normal AT-grenade to have a way faster snare than PTRS cons snare and the lower ranged penal AT-satchel for slowed tanks. I can now combine any commander, for example NKVD for flame tank with vet1 "Inspire Infantry" to get those AT-satchels in. Commisar abilities help to win infantry fights. NKVDs AT-overwatch is a real strong AT source in addition that is way better than the BombRun in the late game. Especially useful vs the big cats.

Jump back to quoted post9 Apr 2022, 13:09 PMgeneral_gawain

I don't see this build as such special that it is worth choosing a commander for it. Maybe it was before penals got third PTRS with higher accuracy for all PTRS(in comparison to PRTS cons). AT is the only thing this commander can do, but other commanders don't do worse at that aspect plus having better AI tools.

Jump back to quoted post9 Apr 2022, 16:15 PMWilly Pete

So in this scenario ur getting at-nades and mollys for ur 1 conscript squad? Waste

AT overwatch is better against tanks, but can use the bombing run to delete buildings too. Can still damage infantry as well, decrewed 2 paks with 1 ptab bombing run last night

Jump back to quoted post9 Apr 2022, 16:15 PMWilly Pete

Higher accuracy? THe cons arent going to miss tanks anyway. If ur talking about that slightly better performance against infantry, whoopty do u took a penal squad and gave it ptrs. In my build order all my penals stay in AI role

Jump back to quoted post10 Apr 2022, 12:18 PMgeneral_gawain

PTRS cons can miss Kubel, Hetzer or vet1 221/222/223. With vet1 "combat blitz"/"Blitzkrieg tactics" ability activated they can even miss a PZIV. PTRS penals will never miss any kind of vehicle/tank. So the higher accuracy is not useable versus infantry alone.

Jump back to quoted post9 Apr 2022, 16:15 PMWilly Pete

So in this scenario ur getting at-nades and mollys for ur 1 conscript squad? Waste

AT overwatch is better against tanks, but can use the bombing run to delete buildings too. Can still damage infantry as well, decrewed 2 paks with 1 ptab bombing run last night


Higher accuracy? THe cons arent going to miss tanks anyway. If ur talking about that slightly better performance against infantry, whoopty do u took a penal squad and gave it ptrs. In my build order all my penals stay in AI role

Not saying the commander is the best, cuz he's not at all. But i think u are mistaken about ptrs consrcripts

Jump back to quoted post11 Apr 2022, 12:57 PMBasedSecretary

The strength of the commander is not that cons are more accurate, but that cons are so expendable that it's ok to rush them in front of a fucking tank, lose half your squad, retreat to reinforce with 14mp a model whilst giving the axis player the beating of a lifetime. Especially if it's early game, and he only has a Panzer IV. 3 PTRS cons and he just lost his major power spike. Penals are way too costly (and way too good anti inf wise) to take on such a hard task of being the AT squad. The only saving grace for them is the mininuke they have against vehicles. If that were to be taken away, they would go back to being a very good early game semi elite anti inf unit (which I would be perfectly fine with).

I always equip this doctrine, because it's my ace in the hole whenever I feel like I am playing behind the axis players and know they are going to have a tank soon. Obviously it's not a first tier commander, but absolutely the perfect lifejacket style last resort.

Jump back to quoted post11 Apr 2022, 13:13 PMKatukov

where are you paying 14mp for a conscript squad? they still cost 20 per reinforce

3 ptrs cons doesn't 1shot a panzer 4 (especially not a p4J)
penal ptrs is expensive but sometimes your infantry just gets beaten late game by the enemy infantry, or the utility becomes valuable

you will not kill a tank with ptrs conscripts that hasn't been mortally wounded beforehand, or the enemy is simply bad for it to happen. Matter of fact tanks like the panzer 4, tiger or king tiger (or any other anti infantry tank) will bleed your troops out of cover

Jump back to quoted post11 Apr 2022, 13:28 PMBasedSecretary

So what if the enemy bleeds your cons? They are cons ffs, that's their job to die cheaply for their utility.

Jump back to quoted post13 Apr 2022, 10:26 AMgeneral_gawain

Problem is that they die like flies until reaching vet3. Vet0 target size 1.1 or vet1-2 target size 1 means they will die to any fire incoming. 20mp reinforcement is not exactly cheap if you loose them a lot. Both conscript upgrades (PTRS and PPsH) have the problem that they don't synergize very well with the playing style of cons. Cons are dependent on building sandbags for green cover. PTRS AT-grenade ability and PPsH needs you to get close, mostly out in the open without cover.
With the introduction of 7th man upgrade which locks out PTRS and PPsH upgrade there is not much of a reason to go for PTRS cons anymore. Con squad with 7th soldier is more versatile (you can recrew two team weapons or just merge more), durable (more likely to retain its vet) and really cheap to reinforce. In comparison to PTRS cons they retain the molotov in addition

I rather go for 1-2 PTRS penals and cons with seven men. And that is nondoctrinal on top.

Jump back to quoted post13 Apr 2022, 10:26 AMgeneral_gawain

Problem is that they die like flies until reaching vet3. Vet0 target size 1.1 or vet1-2 target size 1 means they will die to any fire incoming. 20mp reinforcement is not exactly cheap if you loose them a lot. Both conscript upgrades (PTRS and PPsH) have the problem that they don't synergize very well with the playing style of cons. Cons are dependent on building sandbags for green cover.

PTRS AT-grenade ability and PPsH needs you to get close, mostly out in the open without cover.