Soviet AT Over Watch is too strong.

Jump back to quoted post6 Sep 2021, 15:55 PMHannibal

I also think that this ability is very, very good. A small nerf is in order for me. When supporting an attack it is just so efficient in finishing tanks that have already been hit 1-2 times. Even in a failed attack it allows you to secure a kill or two, especially if your opponent needs to micro his infantry as well.
When playing with friends in 2v2 and 3v3 as Allies, one of us almost always picks it, and I rarely saw it as a mistake.

Anecdotal:
I also remember playing against a 3v3 team that always comboed AT overwatch, USF's P47 loiter and the (pre nerf) UKF early warning flares across the whole frontline. It was a huge investment, but it basically always deleted a couple of tanks and forced us to abandon the front line almost completely.

Jump back to quoted post6 Sep 2021, 05:43 AMGachiGasm

Zeroing dont auto aim on units, zeroing has friendly fire, zeroing takes like 5+ seconds charning up before it actually start being devastating.

Zeroing is just another artillery ability, which works like any other artillery based ability except it needs constant vision.

Abilities are closest to overwatch - all plane based abilities, but unlike auto-aiming planes AT overwatch cant be countered by AA and it cant be doudged.

Jump back to quoted post6 Sep 2021, 08:56 AMGachiGasm

It tracks the enemy, not really auto-aims on the units. For instance its still possible to reatreat from zerroing circle (at least untill it fully rumps up) since it wont always hit directly into the center of the unit. Its just very chaotic and fast so it look like it always auto-aims.

Jump back to quoted post6 Sep 2021, 08:56 AMGachiGasm

AT overwatch on the other hand never misses the target, it auto-locks on it and hits in the center of the model.

Jump back to quoted post6 Sep 2021, 08:56 AMGachiGasm

In any case, over-all chances of dying to Zeroing is pretty much the same as to most arty abilities if you stay for the whole direction in the bombardment zone.

Jump back to quoted post5 Sep 2021, 03:57 AMShimizu

I have been seeing AT over watch commanders more often recently and so I have been encountering the AT over watch ability more frequently. It is insanely powerful, the first time I encountered it I was astonished by how much damage it does to even the heaviest of vehicles. First off it is very cheap for what it does, it costs the same as Stuka close air, but it can target all the tanks in the circle and obviously it cannot be shot down like Stukas can, so there is no counter to it. I know that vision is required to maintain fire, but vision can be had with overflight, flairs or you can even sacrifice a couple infantry squads for the cause to maintain vision. Secondly and what I think is most egregious is how fast the ramp up time is. It shoots faster and faster so quickly that something like an Elefant has no chance to escape, and if you're tanks are close together and the map is narrow then you can say goodbye to several of your tanks as they try to path find their way away. Even if you manage to escape the barrage without losing anything all your tanks will be so weak that the inevitable tank push that fallows will kill whatever survived. I'm not saying that AT Over Watch is an "I win button" but when used properly it can shred any German tank force and leave you extremely vulnerable very late in the game.
I think there are a few things that could be done to try and balance this ability. An obvious solution would be to just increase the price. I don't think this would solve the problem though, Even if it was 300 muni I think it would still be a no brainer to use and building a few muni caches will still allow you use it with relative frequency. I think the best solution would be to slow the ramp up time. I know it is an ability to punish a stagnant front line of tanks, but even when you move it is extremely damaging. I think a damage debuff could also be an effective solution. I just feel like this ability shouldn't be able to destroy a heavy tank all on it's own when other AT attacks have no chance of doing so.

Jump back to quoted post6 Sep 2021, 18:08 PMKatukov

Maybe they shouldn't have made heavy TDs/tanks to be meta in team games if they want to nerf anti-tank overwath as a natural counter to the strat

Is it that difficult to drive away when most of your tanks are more than fast enough? or having a frontline to eradicate SOV dives before AT overwatch ramps in full force?


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Jump back to quoted post6 Sep 2021, 19:06 PMBetterDead ThanRed

And why do you think heavy TD's/tanks are meta?

just
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Jump back to quoted post6 Sep 2021, 20:36 PMBetterDead ThanRed

ATO sure is very powerful, borderline to OP, 1 player with such ability is fine, but when you have 2+ players in 4v4 having ATO or similar, its just insane.

although you can somewhat ''soft'' counter ATO with vision denial, escape the circle etc, there is no ''hard'' counter to ATO, that is something worth debating

Jump back to quoted post6 Sep 2021, 20:54 PMKatukov

half the enemy is stuck with stock soviet armor and you still find ways to lose by playing into the enemy gimmick ability

if you stack any ability then it becomes insane lol that's not an argument point

Jump back to quoted post6 Sep 2021, 18:08 PMKatukov

Maybe they shouldn't have made heavy TDs/tanks to be meta in team games if they want to nerf anti-tank overwath as a natural counter to the strat

Is it that difficult to drive away when most of your tanks are more than fast enough? or having a frontline to eradicate SOV dives before AT overwatch ramps in full force?


Just

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thought

Jump back to quoted post6 Sep 2021, 21:26 PMKurobane

Most of the people who complain lack the capacity to think rationally.

Jump back to quoted post6 Sep 2021, 11:34 AMvgfgff

According to your playercard. You only experienced only 9 game with soviet.
I suggest you to try AT OVERWATCH by yourself. in my experience It totally waste of ammo it misses a lot when enemy tank are on move.and you can't continue tracking enemy tank without lose your unit.

Jump back to quoted post6 Sep 2021, 20:59 PMBetterDead ThanRed

and by this standard you also regard Sturmtiger to be balanced?

Jump back to quoted post6 Sep 2021, 23:08 PMKatukov

one is a tank that fires from the FoW, does instant, almost unavoidable damage that you cant see coming, the other is AoE which can be seen on the map and mitigated by not fucking overextending and driving in reverse.

Jump back to quoted post6 Sep 2021, 22:23 PMMassaDerek

Axis players can't think rationally, or play well.They compensate for that by playing as the stronger factions, makes sense.

Jump back to quoted post7 Sep 2021, 06:14 AMMMX

Good stuff