Capping mechanism

Do we know why devs decided to follow with the Coh2 capping mechanism over Coh1? I always though Coh1's were better in term of gameplay.

What's your opinion?

Because CoH1 one was shit and took away control from the squad on contested point?

Because CoH1 one was shit and took away control from the squad on contested point?

And forced the player to make a strategic decision to risk the cap or defend the position, something COH2 players never understood because they could just a-move their MG's across the map and cap and lock down sectors all at the same time. All part of the "COH2 is the noob friendly version of COH1" mantra.

Not necessarily noob friendly but yeah adding a strategic layer and mitigating difference of power between starting units around capping engagement.

That they could had made the best out of both worlds.

Manual capping is faster, while staying on point is slower. Support weapons caps slower since they can't manual cap.

That they could had made the best out of both worlds.

Manual capping is faster, while staying on point is slower. Support weapons caps slower since they can't manual cap.

Imo its to much of complication, the game should remains simple but complex in its mechanisms

And forced the player to make a strategic decision to risk the cap or defend the position, something COH2 players never understood because they could just a-move their MG's across the map and cap and lock down sectors all at the same time. All part of the "COH2 is the noob friendly version of COH1" mantra.

i remember the cap hopping from rifle men because of the 1,5x cap speed

and the cap reset from the jeep and the krad

lol what a BS.

All part of the "COH2 is the noob friendly version of COH1" mantra.

Are we talking about the coh1 with US blobs of anti everything death, anti everything Panther tanks, M18 sniping models at each shot,...?

a-move mgs

In your dreams maybe

Do we know why devs decided to follow with the Coh2 capping mechanism over Coh1? I always though Coh1's were better in term of gameplay.

What's your opinion?

COH2's mechanism is better but the flags look dumb and create pathing problems. I don't see why they have to have a flag.

Company of Heroes 1's capture mechanic was ridiculously exploitable. Vehicle pushing might be considered a "legitimate strat" by some but it was obnoxious and just felt bad to use or have it used against you. Iron Harvest tried Company of Heroes 1's capture mechanic and it's one of the many things that failed hard in that game.

I never liked CoH1's capping mechanics and I'm glad they didn't bring them back.

That they could had made the best out of both worlds.

Manual capping is faster, while staying on point is slower. Support weapons caps slower since they can't manual cap.

i like this!

judging by the comments so far i think it's safe to conclude that both systems have their pros and cons and an amalgamation of coh1 & 2' capping mechanism could actually remedy many points of criticism. would really love to see this getting tested at least, but if for whatever reason it turns out to be "either or" i'd probably stick to coh2's capping mechanics.

And forced the player to make a strategic decision to risk the cap or defend the position, something COH2 players never understood because they could just a-move their MG's across the map and cap and lock down sectors all at the same time. All part of the "COH2 is the noob friendly version of COH1" mantra.

This.

i think the capping in coh3 isnt that obvious, you cant tell whether your unit is capping. hope its just pre alpha missing the visual indicators

i think the capping in coh3 isnt that obvious, you cant tell whether your unit is capping. hope its just pre alpha missing the visual indicators

The UI is just garbage

The UI is just garbage

after my hands on, i think the ui is fine.
you can have some choice to reorder part of it.


the biggest problem is the camera/mouse panning, too laggy

And forced the player to make a strategic decision to risk the cap or defend the position, something COH2 players never understood because they could just a-move their MG's across the map and cap and lock down sectors all at the same time. All part of the "COH2 is the noob friendly version of COH1" mantra.

1. As a general point: CoH2 top level skill has exceeded old school CoH1. Today's top CoH2 players > Symbiosis, Aimstrong, Aljaz, Sepha etc. It used to be the other way around until around 2016 but the "CoH2 is for scrubs" meme is outdated in 2021 I'm sorry.

2. A multiplayer game can't really be noob friendly by design. A game is noob friendly if the playerbase is bad at it. If a game is "easy", it's "easy" for both sides. Difficulty is 100% dependant on your opponent.

3. Both systems offer depth in their own way. You exclude the advantages of the CoH2 system and emphasize the advantages of the CoH1 system. CoH2 allows for direct counterplay to stop a crucial cap which is absolutely huge. In CoH1 you can't stop a cap unless you pin or kill the unit. So at the centre vp the late game basically becomes you cap -> I cap -> you cap -> I cap ad infinitum. In CoH2 you actually need to decisively win the engagement before you can cap which shifts the focus away from the "throw shit into the meatgrinder trying to neutralize the mid vp" type of late game.

4. If the mapmakers do a good job and don't put green cover in capping circles and sandbags don't become too abundant there will actually be trade offs similar to those in CoH1.

And forced the player to make a strategic decision to risk the cap or defend the position, something COH2 players never understood because they could just a-move their MG's across the map and cap and lock down sectors all at the same time. All part of the "COH2 is the noob friendly version of COH1" mantra.

m8 krad/schwim pushing was thing, which was even more BS than a-moving and capping with mgs.

No I will not miss the capping exploits, one of the many things about COH 1 which forced me to uninstall it. If this means we have ppl capping under MG fire without giving a damn, for a time, it's still better than the old design.

1. As a general point: CoH2 top level skill has exceeded old school CoH1. Today's top CoH2 players > Symbiosis, Aimstrong, Aljaz, Sepha etc. It used to be the other way around until around 2016 but the "CoH2 is for scrubs" meme is outdated in 2021 I'm sorry.

2. A multiplayer game can't really be noob friendly by design. A game is noob friendly if the playerbase is bad at it. If a game is "easy", it's "easy" for both sides. Difficulty is 100% dependant on your opponent.

3. Both systems offer depth in their own way. You exclude the advantages of the CoH2 system and emphasize the advantages of the CoH1 system. CoH2 allows for direct counterplay to stop a crucial cap which is absolutely huge. In CoH1 you can't stop a cap unless you pin or kill the unit. So at the centre vp the late game basically becomes you cap -> I cap -> you cap -> I cap ad infinitum. In CoH2 you actually need to decisively win the engagement before you can cap which shifts the focus away from the "throw shit into the meatgrinder trying to neutralize the mid vp" type of late game.

4. If the mapmakers do a good job and don't put green cover in capping circles and sandbags don't become too abundant there will actually be trade offs similar to those in CoH1.

"Noob friendly" is genuinely something you can ascribe to a multiplayer game. I'd say that a game with a low skill ceiling is pretty "noob friendly". The skill floor is somewhat less important, actually.

If the game can be played optimally with little effort then terrible players and good players are basically indistinguishable, which is definitely what i'd call "noob friendly".


Arent the descriptions you're giving of capping CoH1 and 2 the reverse of what you're stating? Surely your unit having to put itself at extreme risk to capture a point (by entering an animation/becoming vulnerable/unable to retaliate to attack) makes clearing an area vital before capping can occur?