why are penals better than cons objectively

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25 Jun 2021, 09:22 AMCrecer13

Which cavity collapses if you look at the skin. The conscripts skin is a 1943 uniform. And this means the conscripts are much better prepared and there is no hint of the mythical one rifle for three.

Uniforms in this game are a joke anyways. Osttruppen have a sign on their uniform that wasn't introduced until late 44' iirc. and Grenadiers have some kind of made up skin as far as I know also there are G43s, Panzerschrecks and even one Tiger in 1942 in the Single Player Mode.

And the "one rifle for two (or three)" is btw. not 100% mythical. There are instances in 1941 and 1942 where this happened

2 Jun 2018, 04:21 AMRocket

Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.

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2 Jun 2018, 04:21 AMRocket

Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.

12 Aug 2020, 12:59 PMKatitof

I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you

18 Aug 2020, 04:14 AMCODGUY

The idea that the Jackson needed ANY nerfing is so laughable. It only serves ONE task, how dare it be good at that. If it were a good against infantry like the Panther, King Tiger, Panzer IV, Jagtiger, Elefant, I could see how it might be a problem and need a nerf but it's not

2 Jun 2018, 04:21 AMRocket

Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.

12 Aug 2020, 12:59 PMKatitof

I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you

18 Aug 2020, 04:11 AMCODGUY

I don't play this version of EZ mode very often because it's so boringly simple. But it is funny to see the Axis circle jerk with people complaining that the one faction with every crutch in the book is some how underpowered lol.

18 Aug 2020, 04:14 AMCODGUY

The idea that the Jackson needed ANY nerfing is so laughable. It only serves ONE task, how dare it be good at that. If it were a good against infantry like the Panther, King Tiger, Panzer IV, Jagtiger, Elefant, I could see how it might be a problem and need a nerf but it's not

2 Jun 2018, 04:21 AMRocket

Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.

29 Jun 2020, 19:21 PMIncendiaryRounds

u deserve to lose if u don't have an Ele when there's an ISU.
Just stay out of topics u have no knowledge of, Latch.

12 Aug 2020, 10:02 AMProtos Angelus

Ranked, I only play USF. Wouldn't be caught dead playing Nazis with some sort of record being taken

12 Aug 2020, 12:59 PMKatitof

I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you, and wouldn't be surprised to be hit again, but I'm fed up with this bullshit and honestly, the sole fact that I'm not permad is what keeps me here having discussions about the game I like and yes, I do question myself why I still go back here to this free range insane asylum so often.

12 Aug 2020, 12:59 PMKatitof

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25 Jun 2021, 12:29 PMVipper

You probably need to open a dictionary and look up the phrase "original design".

I any case I am not really interested in your line of arguing.

Yes. You're right. "Original design" is not "original implementation." Design being the idea, and implementation being how the gameplay actually was. So you saying that the original design was so and so is clearly supported by the design drawings.

"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?..The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and... the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough...We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”

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25 Jun 2021, 14:23 PMmr.matrix300

Uniforms in this game are a joke anyways. Osttruppen have a sign on their uniform that wasn't introduced until late 44' iirc. and Grenadiers have some kind of made up skin as far as I know also there are G43s, Panzerschrecks and even one Tiger in 1942 in the Single Player Mode.

And the "one rifle for two (or three)" is btw. not 100% mythical. There are instances in 1941 and 1942 where this happened

No, it didn’t happen. Soviet soldiers never attacked without weapons. Neither Soviet nor German documents and reports confirm this. The only thing that could happen was the capture of construction divisions, they had no weapons for a simple logical reason - they built fortifications deep in the rear, but after large encirclements over a large territory with hundreds of thousands of prisoners, such divisions could be captured without weapons.

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25 Jun 2021, 14:15 PMPip

Which sources are you using for this information? People keep saying this, but I've been unable to find any information that supports the idea that Penal Battalions were made up exclusively of officers, and were better equipped than regular, non-penal infantry.

I'd be interested to read about this, though I'm not entirely sure what the logic behind organising Penal infantry like this would be.

Officer penal units (USSR - penal battalions), which were staffed exclusively by military officers of the officer corps who committed disciplinary offenses or minor military crimes, being convicted by a military tribunal sentence with a deferred execution of the sentence until the end of the wartime regime (since sending to the penal units was considered as a form of punishment, possible only under the laws of wartime) and demoted to the rank and file until "atonement" (the official term of the Soviet era) and reinstated in the previous rank with a return to the former place of service. Stalin's order No. 227 of July 28, 1942 demanded from the front commanders: âto form within the front from one to three penal battalions (800 people each), where to send middle and senior commanders and the corresponding political workers of all branches of the armed forces, guilty of violating discipline out of cowardice or instability, and put them on more difficult sectors of the front, in order to enable them to atone for their crimes against the Motherland with blood â;

Criminal penal units (USSR - penal companies), staffed with offenders from the ranks of private and non-commissioned officers, as well as criminal elements who served sentences for crimes of small and medium gravity (except for serious crimes for which the death penalty was imposed, and political prisoners who were not subject to conscription) and early released from prison for the opportunity to âatone for their crimes before the Motherland with bloodâ (the official term of the Soviet era);

Penal units of a mixed composition (Third Reich - penal battalions), where both specified categories of staff (soldiers and demoted officers) could serve simultaneously, as well as civilians, including criminals and political prisoners (in Germany, anti-fascists and âpersons who defiled the purity race ", among the famous political prisoners -" penalties "F. Harnack and A. Landmesser).
Officer command positions in these units and subunits were occupied exclusively by combat officers who were not included in the number of "penalties"; junior command positions (squad leader, deputy platoon commander) could be temporarily assigned "penalties", who had proven themselves from a positive side.

These types of formations manifested themselves in completely different ways in a combat situation and the range of their involvement was significantly different - contrary to popular belief, the Soviet military command avoided using former criminals in dangerous sectors of the front, officer penalty units were transferred to these areas. The subordination was different, if in the USSR the penal units were subordinate to the army command, then in the Third Reich the penal units were both as part of the Wehrmacht and as part of the SS troops. Among the SS units, in addition to the ground penalty units, there was even one parachute unit, which played a decisive role in a number of military operations.

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25 Jun 2021, 14:31 PMCrecer13

Interesting, but where is this from? There's still no mention of these Battalions being "better equipped" even here, though.

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25 Jun 2021, 14:27 PMCrecer13

No, it didn’t happen. Soviet soldiers never attacked without weapons. Neither Soviet nor German documents and reports confirm this. The only thing that could happen was the capture of construction divisions, they had no weapons for a simple logical reason - they built fortifications deep in the rear, but after large encirclements over a large territory with hundreds of thousands of prisoners, such divisions could be captured without weapons.

There were Soviet Divisions that lacked rifles that is for sure and it is confirmed by reports:

â1. In the division there are 3,172 military servicemen; a batch of replacements numbering 1,312 men has arrived and another 2,000 are expected, but in the division there are only a total of 1,921 rifles, 98 automatic rifles and 202 PPSh submachine guns...
2. There are 21 motorized vehicles in the division, but according to the TO&E [shtat] [Table of Organization and Equipment] there should be 114. There are just 7 heavy machine guns, but according to the shtat 108 are necessary.
3. 47 light machine guns, but according to the table there should be 350.
4. 36 anti-tank rifles, but 277 according to the table.
5. The division's separation from its supply base extends up to 100 kilometres and aggravates the supply with food.â [...]

â It needs to be said that the lack of artillery fragmentation and shrapnel shells reflects on the course of the fighting; the artillerymen accordingly fired armor-piercing shells at the enemy [â¦] there are no cartridges for the PPSh submachine guns [â¦] soldiers have tattered uniforms and worn-out shoes. It is impossible to commit soldiers of the new batch of replacements into the fighting because of the lack of weaponsâ

- Igor Sdvizhkov, Confronting Case Blue: Briansk Front's Attempt to Derail the German Drive to the Caucasus, p. 26

âThe 326th was noted as having insufficient weaponry, including antitank guns, mortars and machine guns, and also lacking communications equipment and transport [6] â

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/326th_Rifle_Division_(Soviet_Union)

[6] Soviet General Staff, The Battle of Moscow, ed. & trans. R.W. Harrison, Helion & Co., Ltd., Solihull, UK, 2017, Kindle ed., part III, ch. 2

And there are also sources that state that poorly armed soldiers were sent into battle:

âThose workers not directly involved in producing weapons for immediate use were mobilized in militia 'special brigades' under the commander of the ioth [10th?] NKVD Division, Colonel Sarayev. [â¦]. In the northern industrial suburb of Spartakovka, badly armed worker militia battalions were sent into battle against the 16th Panzer Division with predictable results â
- Stalingrad, Antony Beevor, p. 109

2 Jun 2018, 04:21 AMRocket

Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.

Playing with randoms

2 Jun 2018, 04:21 AMRocket

Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.

12 Aug 2020, 12:59 PMKatitof

I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you

18 Aug 2020, 04:14 AMCODGUY

The idea that the Jackson needed ANY nerfing is so laughable. It only serves ONE task, how dare it be good at that. If it were a good against infantry like the Panther, King Tiger, Panzer IV, Jagtiger, Elefant, I could see how it might be a problem and need a nerf but it's not

2 Jun 2018, 04:21 AMRocket

Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.

12 Aug 2020, 12:59 PMKatitof

I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you

18 Aug 2020, 04:11 AMCODGUY

I don't play this version of EZ mode very often because it's so boringly simple. But it is funny to see the Axis circle jerk with people complaining that the one faction with every crutch in the book is some how underpowered lol.

18 Aug 2020, 04:14 AMCODGUY

The idea that the Jackson needed ANY nerfing is so laughable. It only serves ONE task, how dare it be good at that. If it were a good against infantry like the Panther, King Tiger, Panzer IV, Jagtiger, Elefant, I could see how it might be a problem and need a nerf but it's not

2 Jun 2018, 04:21 AMRocket

Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.

29 Jun 2020, 19:21 PMIncendiaryRounds

u deserve to lose if u don't have an Ele when there's an ISU.
Just stay out of topics u have no knowledge of, Latch.

12 Aug 2020, 10:02 AMProtos Angelus

Ranked, I only play USF. Wouldn't be caught dead playing Nazis with some sort of record being taken

12 Aug 2020, 12:59 PMKatitof

I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you, and wouldn't be surprised to be hit again, but I'm fed up with this bullshit and honestly, the sole fact that I'm not permad is what keeps me here having discussions about the game I like and yes, I do question myself why I still go back here to this free range insane asylum so often.

12 Aug 2020, 12:59 PMKatitof

I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you

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25 Jun 2021, 14:53 PMPip

Interesting, but where is this from? There's still no mention of these Battalions being "better equipped" even here, though.

I myself have personally read several memoirs of officers who commanded penal units. And let's for clarity the memories of the officer in charge of the penal company (privates and sergeants). For starters, penal units were not commanded by penalty officers or unwanted officers. The officers in these units changed regularly.

The question is: how well were you armed?
Answer: How were we armed? Great, any infantry unit was choking on their saliva when they saw our weapons. There was a platoon of submachine gunners, everyone else had good carbines, as well as plenty of PTR. We didn't have mortars, but we had nine DP-27 machine guns per company. At the end of the war, German MG-42 light machine guns were actively used, because many Vlasovites (ROA soldiers) appeared among the penalties, they knew German small arms perfectly and were fluent in them.

- How were you fed in the penal units?

- Wonderful. The only time we felt power outages was during the offensive in Belarus, when the Germans roamed around our rear, and there was no communication with the army headquarters and even the medical battalion. But we had a lot of bacon, but there was no bread, so we borrowed potatoes from the population and gave a receipt that the rear units following us would certainly pay off.

- Did you collect trophies?

- No, I didn't do this business. Here are the penalties, there was a case, they took. I tried German bread in plastic bags, but it was so bad that after the first time no one else took it in their mouths. An interesting case is connected with this bread. When we were on the defensive near the Drut 'River, the Vlasovites, who knew us by name and patronymic, settled in the German trenches. Every morning they shouted: "Rus, come over to us, we have everything, both canned food and butter!" These German products were really better than ours. But our bread was given a loaf of 800 grams per brother, and even brought it from the army bakery still lukewarm, and the enemy's ration included bread in 600 grams from packages, tasteless. Therefore, the penalties in response shouted: "You have only 600 grams of bread per snout, we have more and better loaves, you come to us!" As they say, campaigning in action.

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25 Jun 2021, 15:00 PMmr.matrix300

There were Soviet Divisions that lacked rifles that is for sure and it is confirmed by reports:

And there are also sources that state that poorly armed soldiers were sent into battle:

In which it is not said that these soldiers went into battle without weapons, and they say about the difficulty of the offensive, because these soldiers could not immediately go into the attack. This often happened when the soldiers arrived at the front line before the weapon.

In the second link there is a lack of guns but not rifles

And in the third, you talk about a hastily created militia. The militia, depending on the situation, received an old weapon, or was armed with SVT-40 (Tula militia), even in your example it says badly armed but not unarmed.

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From a thematic and realistic standpoint I always felt Guards should be swapped with Penals even if it was just the name only as it would make sense.

While Penal Battalions were used in WW2 by the Soviets, they were small in number which fits more with being a call in Unit rather than a Core Soviet Army Unit in which Guards would fit that better.

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25 Jun 2021, 16:15 PMKurobane

From a thematic and realistic standpoint I always felt Guards should be swapped with Penals even if it was just the name only as it would make sense.

While Penal Battalions were used in WW2 by the Soviets, they were small in number which fits more with being a call in Unit rather than a Core Soviet Army Unit in which Guards would fit that better.

Absolutely. The many millionth Guard as a doctrinal opportunity and 1% which is the main infantry. This should have been done for a long time.

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25 Jun 2021, 15:15 PMCrecer13

In which it is not said that these soldiers went into battle without weapons, and they say about the difficulty of the offensive, because these soldiers could not immediately go into the attack. This often happened when the soldiers arrived at the front line before the weapon.

But it shows that not only rear construction units could / did lack rifles

And in this case (the 284th rifle division) it actually was a lack of weapons that remained for months. On July 20th the quoted report was written. On then next day the unit was ordered to counterattack and on September 17th it was assigned to the defense of Stalingrad while still lacking weapons. On wikipedia is it written (sadly don't have the book that they quote for this passage)that it was involved in "difficult fighting" on September 22nd.

25 Jun 2021, 15:15 PMCrecer13

In the second link there is a lack of guns but not rifles

It says "including" but yea it is not 100% certain in this case

25 Jun 2021, 15:15 PMCrecer13

And in the third, you talk about a hastily created militia. The militia, depending on the situation, received an old weapon, or was armed with SVT-40 (Tula militia), even in your example it says badly armed but not unarmed.

Badly armed can again be interpreted in variing ways so here is another quote from one of Beevors Books.

Altogether over 135,000 Leningraders, factory workers as well as professors, had volunteered, or been forced to volunteer. They had no training, no medical assistance, no uniforms, no transport and no supply system. More than half lacked rifles, and yet they were still ordered into counter-attacks
- The Second World War, Antony Beevor, page 28

2 Jun 2018, 04:21 AMRocket

Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.

Playing with randoms

2 Jun 2018, 04:21 AMRocket

Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.

12 Aug 2020, 12:59 PMKatitof

I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you

18 Aug 2020, 04:14 AMCODGUY

The idea that the Jackson needed ANY nerfing is so laughable. It only serves ONE task, how dare it be good at that. If it were a good against infantry like the Panther, King Tiger, Panzer IV, Jagtiger, Elefant, I could see how it might be a problem and need a nerf but it's not

2 Jun 2018, 04:21 AMRocket

Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.

12 Aug 2020, 12:59 PMKatitof

I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you

18 Aug 2020, 04:11 AMCODGUY

I don't play this version of EZ mode very often because it's so boringly simple. But it is funny to see the Axis circle jerk with people complaining that the one faction with every crutch in the book is some how underpowered lol.

18 Aug 2020, 04:14 AMCODGUY

The idea that the Jackson needed ANY nerfing is so laughable. It only serves ONE task, how dare it be good at that. If it were a good against infantry like the Panther, King Tiger, Panzer IV, Jagtiger, Elefant, I could see how it might be a problem and need a nerf but it's not

2 Jun 2018, 04:21 AMRocket

Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.

29 Jun 2020, 19:21 PMIncendiaryRounds

u deserve to lose if u don't have an Ele when there's an ISU.
Just stay out of topics u have no knowledge of, Latch.

12 Aug 2020, 10:02 AMProtos Angelus

Ranked, I only play USF. Wouldn't be caught dead playing Nazis with some sort of record being taken

12 Aug 2020, 12:59 PMKatitof

I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you, and wouldn't be surprised to be hit again, but I'm fed up with this bullshit and honestly, the sole fact that I'm not permad is what keeps me here having discussions about the game I like and yes, I do question myself why I still go back here to this free range insane asylum so often.

12 Aug 2020, 12:59 PMKatitof

I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you

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25 Jun 2021, 18:45 PMmr.matrix300

Badly armed can again be interpreted in variing ways so here is another quote from one of Beevors Books.

And here is complete nonsense - confirmation of this, the instructor sergeant submissive ran over to the Germans and during interrogation clearly said that each militia had a rifle, a gas mask, and each was dressed with the same uniform. Moreover, the Leningrad militia turned out to be very stubborn and staunch in defense, the reason for the double staff of mortars, mortars were produced in Leningrad and the militia received a double staff of mortars.

in the Central Archives of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation there are documents on the degree of staffing with weapons of all twelve divisions of the people's militia on September 3, 1941.

The provision of rifles, machine guns, light and heavy machine guns, 50-mm mortars, 76-mm divisional guns, 122-mm howitzers is 100% in them. Among the total number of heavy machine guns, there are 412 Colt heavy machine guns model 1915.

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25 Jun 2021, 18:55 PMCrecer13

And here is complete nonsense - confirmation of this, the instructor sergeant submissive ran over to the Germans and during interrogation clearly said that each militia had a rifle, a gas mask, and each was dressed with the same uniform. Moreover, the Leningrad militia turned out to be very stubborn and staunch in defense, the reason for the double staff of mortars, mortars were produced in Leningrad and the militia received a double staff of mortars.

in the Central Archives of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation there are documents on the degree of staffing with weapons of all twelve divisions of the people's militia on September 3, 1941.

The provision of rifles, machine guns, light and heavy machine guns, 50-mm mortars, 76-mm divisional guns, 122-mm howitzers is 100% in them. Among the total number of heavy machine guns, there are 412 Colt heavy machine guns model 1915.

Source for any of this?

2 Jun 2018, 04:21 AMRocket

Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.

Playing with randoms

2 Jun 2018, 04:21 AMRocket

Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.

12 Aug 2020, 12:59 PMKatitof

I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you

18 Aug 2020, 04:14 AMCODGUY

The idea that the Jackson needed ANY nerfing is so laughable. It only serves ONE task, how dare it be good at that. If it were a good against infantry like the Panther, King Tiger, Panzer IV, Jagtiger, Elefant, I could see how it might be a problem and need a nerf but it's not

2 Jun 2018, 04:21 AMRocket

Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.

12 Aug 2020, 12:59 PMKatitof

I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you

18 Aug 2020, 04:11 AMCODGUY

I don't play this version of EZ mode very often because it's so boringly simple. But it is funny to see the Axis circle jerk with people complaining that the one faction with every crutch in the book is some how underpowered lol.

18 Aug 2020, 04:14 AMCODGUY

The idea that the Jackson needed ANY nerfing is so laughable. It only serves ONE task, how dare it be good at that. If it were a good against infantry like the Panther, King Tiger, Panzer IV, Jagtiger, Elefant, I could see how it might be a problem and need a nerf but it's not

2 Jun 2018, 04:21 AMRocket

Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.

29 Jun 2020, 19:21 PMIncendiaryRounds

u deserve to lose if u don't have an Ele when there's an ISU.
Just stay out of topics u have no knowledge of, Latch.

12 Aug 2020, 10:02 AMProtos Angelus

Ranked, I only play USF. Wouldn't be caught dead playing Nazis with some sort of record being taken

12 Aug 2020, 12:59 PMKatitof

I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you, and wouldn't be surprised to be hit again, but I'm fed up with this bullshit and honestly, the sole fact that I'm not permad is what keeps me here having discussions about the game I like and yes, I do question myself why I still go back here to this free range insane asylum so often.

12 Aug 2020, 12:59 PMKatitof

I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you

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25 Jun 2021, 19:05 PMmr.matrix300

Source for any of this?

Kolesnik Alexander. "Militia formations of the Russian Federation during the Great Patriotic War"
Lectures by one of the best and authoritative modern historians Alexey Isaev.This person practically lives in the archives.

The real problem for the Leningrad militia is the width of the defended front. The 1939 field manual of the Red Army indicates that a rifle division can successfully defend a front with a width of 8-12 kilometers. The Leningrad Militia Divisions had to defend a front 40 (!) Kilometers wide.

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25 Jun 2021, 19:12 PMCrecer13

Kolesnik Alexander. "Militia formations of the Russian Federation during the Great Patriotic War"

Literally find neither the Autor nor this Book on the internet and to be honest it seems a bit odd that he would write about Militia formations of the Russian Federation ... wouldn't Militia formations of the Soviet Union be more fitting. Are you sure this is the correct title?(but then again there are lots of strange translations out there so maybe bad book-translator?)?

Could you please provide a link, screenshot ... anything? All the sources I quoted are freely available on the internet

25 Jun 2021, 19:12 PMCrecer13

Lectures by one of the best and authoritative modern historians Alexey Isaev.This person practically lives in the archives.

Which lecture? Is it avaible on the internet? Do you have a timestamp?

Don't get me wrong but this all is a big "Trust me bro"

2 Jun 2018, 04:21 AMRocket

Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.

Playing with randoms

2 Jun 2018, 04:21 AMRocket

Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.

12 Aug 2020, 12:59 PMKatitof

I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you

18 Aug 2020, 04:14 AMCODGUY

The idea that the Jackson needed ANY nerfing is so laughable. It only serves ONE task, how dare it be good at that. If it were a good against infantry like the Panther, King Tiger, Panzer IV, Jagtiger, Elefant, I could see how it might be a problem and need a nerf but it's not

2 Jun 2018, 04:21 AMRocket

Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.

12 Aug 2020, 12:59 PMKatitof

I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you

18 Aug 2020, 04:11 AMCODGUY

I don't play this version of EZ mode very often because it's so boringly simple. But it is funny to see the Axis circle jerk with people complaining that the one faction with every crutch in the book is some how underpowered lol.

18 Aug 2020, 04:14 AMCODGUY

The idea that the Jackson needed ANY nerfing is so laughable. It only serves ONE task, how dare it be good at that. If it were a good against infantry like the Panther, King Tiger, Panzer IV, Jagtiger, Elefant, I could see how it might be a problem and need a nerf but it's not

2 Jun 2018, 04:21 AMRocket

Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.

29 Jun 2020, 19:21 PMIncendiaryRounds

u deserve to lose if u don't have an Ele when there's an ISU.
Just stay out of topics u have no knowledge of, Latch.

12 Aug 2020, 10:02 AMProtos Angelus

Ranked, I only play USF. Wouldn't be caught dead playing Nazis with some sort of record being taken

12 Aug 2020, 12:59 PMKatitof

I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you, and wouldn't be surprised to be hit again, but I'm fed up with this bullshit and honestly, the sole fact that I'm not permad is what keeps me here having discussions about the game I like and yes, I do question myself why I still go back here to this free range insane asylum so often.

12 Aug 2020, 12:59 PMKatitof

I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you

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25 Jun 2021, 19:43 PMmr.matrix300

Literally find neither the Autor nor this Book on the internet and to be honest it seems a bit odd that he would write about Militia formations of the Russian Federation ... wouldn't Militia formations of the Soviet Union be more fitting. Are you sure this is the correct title?(but then again there are lots of strange translations out there so maybe bad book-translator?)?

Could you please provide a link, screenshot ... anything? All the sources I quoted are freely available on the internet

Which lecture? Is it avaible on the internet? Do you have a timestamp?

Don't get me wrong but this all is a big "Trust me bro"

Using Google is too hard nowadays it seems. Need to contact Google and let them know that the search engine is not user friendly and too difficult to understand. Literally the first result

https://www.prlib.ru/en/node/434827

Would you mind me asking what you do for a living?

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25 Jun 2021, 19:53 PMProtos Angelus

Using Google is too hard nowadays it seems. Need to contact Google and let them know that the search engine is not user friendly and too difficult to understand. Literally the first result

Thank you. I think I missed a ". Honestly could not find it

2 Jun 2018, 04:21 AMRocket

Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.

Playing with randoms

2 Jun 2018, 04:21 AMRocket

Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.

12 Aug 2020, 12:59 PMKatitof

I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you

18 Aug 2020, 04:14 AMCODGUY

The idea that the Jackson needed ANY nerfing is so laughable. It only serves ONE task, how dare it be good at that. If it were a good against infantry like the Panther, King Tiger, Panzer IV, Jagtiger, Elefant, I could see how it might be a problem and need a nerf but it's not

2 Jun 2018, 04:21 AMRocket

Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.

12 Aug 2020, 12:59 PMKatitof

I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you

18 Aug 2020, 04:11 AMCODGUY

I don't play this version of EZ mode very often because it's so boringly simple. But it is funny to see the Axis circle jerk with people complaining that the one faction with every crutch in the book is some how underpowered lol.

18 Aug 2020, 04:14 AMCODGUY

The idea that the Jackson needed ANY nerfing is so laughable. It only serves ONE task, how dare it be good at that. If it were a good against infantry like the Panther, King Tiger, Panzer IV, Jagtiger, Elefant, I could see how it might be a problem and need a nerf but it's not

2 Jun 2018, 04:21 AMRocket

Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.

29 Jun 2020, 19:21 PMIncendiaryRounds

u deserve to lose if u don't have an Ele when there's an ISU.
Just stay out of topics u have no knowledge of, Latch.

12 Aug 2020, 10:02 AMProtos Angelus

Ranked, I only play USF. Wouldn't be caught dead playing Nazis with some sort of record being taken

12 Aug 2020, 12:59 PMKatitof

I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you, and wouldn't be surprised to be hit again, but I'm fed up with this bullshit and honestly, the sole fact that I'm not permad is what keeps me here having discussions about the game I like and yes, I do question myself why I still go back here to this free range insane asylum so often.

12 Aug 2020, 12:59 PMKatitof

I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you

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25 Jun 2021, 19:43 PMmr.matrix300

Literally find neither the Autor nor this Book on the internet and to be honest it seems a bit odd that he would write about Militia formations of the Russian Federation ... wouldn't Militia formations of the Soviet Union be more fitting. Are you sure this is the correct title?(but then again there are lots of strange translations out there so maybe bad book-translator?)?

Could you please provide a link, screenshot ... anything? All the sources I quoted are freely available on the internet

Which lecture? Is it avaible on the internet? Do you have a timestamp?

Don't get me wrong but this all is a big "Trust me bro"

If you understand Russian:
here is a generalized lecture on the defense of Leningrad in 1941. Isaev also has a book: from the border to Leningrad.