The devs did it again... Buffed B4 into the heaven

Jump back to quoted post19 Jun 2021, 20:57 PMGrumpy

This is your idea of a discussion?

Jump back to quoted post21 Jun 2021, 09:11 AMchihuahua_charity

If only anyone could've predicted that this B-4 change was really stupid...

If only someone could've warned us...

Jump back to quoted post21 Jun 2021, 07:48 AMullumulu

Its CD is really too fast.

The cost too low.

The commander around it too good. (PTRS cons, steahlt armor, stahlt AT gun, AT-callin, etc)

The counter options for axis too low and too expansive.

Not you cant build any thing outside from base sector without getting easily bombed into stone age

Jump back to quoted post21 Jun 2021, 10:17 AMKatitof

Build LEFH and, brace for it, actually use it by targetting it properly instead of old "press button and forget about indirect fire for the rest of the game".

Jump back to quoted post21 Jun 2021, 10:26 AMredfox

Jeez, the poor guys, this is unacceptable! Just think, this is actual micro!

Jump back to quoted post21 Jun 2021, 10:46 AMLady Xenarra

You may find that the overall lethality has gone up when they use it against your army directly instead of scatters off from targeting light arty, I know I have been using it so.

EDIT: Ran into a triple NSO premade running just B-4s and you could not advance one bit at all without losing squads. Weapons teams, armour, LEFH (vaporised), infantry all destroyed trying to close the distance. Got close once but they were just spamming them out. It's frankly cancerous. I just left rather than try to deal with such unpleasantness after the 6th unit destroyed.

Jump back to quoted post21 Jun 2021, 13:10 PMminhuh064

how about prepare and pick Counter Cmdrs like Allied has to do all the time?

Jump back to quoted post21 Jun 2021, 13:15 PMLady Xenarra

Apparently LEFH counters B-4 according to many

Jump back to quoted post21 Jun 2021, 13:53 PMSupport Sapper

I think some certain Commander have lefh and counter tools in offer. Some others have recon+bomb

Jump back to quoted post21 Jun 2021, 14:34 PMthe_onion_man

Again, it takes 4-5 minutes (assuming ZERO grenades, mines, etc) of munitions income to counter ONE B4 which can be built every ~2 minutes

And it's only a net loss for Soviets, excluding area denial, if the B4 never hits anything. And even then, it dominates the Axis' attention and demands the total use of all of their munitions resources, meaning nothing is available for grenades or mines and so on.

Jump back to quoted post21 Jun 2021, 14:34 PMthe_onion_man

Again, it takes 4-5 minutes (assuming ZERO grenades, mines, etc) of munitions income to counter ONE B4 which can be built every ~2 minutes

And it's only a net loss for Soviets, excluding area denial, if the B4 never hits anything. And even then, it dominates the Axis' attention and demands the total use of all of their munitions resources, meaning nothing is available for grenades or mines and so on.

Also, while normally I would ignore Katitof and advise everyone to do the same, here I'll simply note that balance decisions have routinely been made since the game's release in terms of not putting too many powerful abilities all on the same commander. For obvious reasons.

Jump back to quoted post21 Jun 2021, 13:15 PMLady Xenarra

Apparently LEFH counters B-4 according to many

Jump back to quoted post26 May 2021, 15:30 PMSander93

The purpose of this patch is to create an as large amount of middle ground (good/viable) commanders as possible to increase commander diversity. Not to create more top meta commanders.

Jump back to quoted post26 May 2021, 15:30 PMSander93

The purpose of this patch is to create an as large amount of middle ground (good/viable) commanders as possible to increase commander diversity. Not to create more top meta commanders.