UKF in ML so far...

Jump back to quoted post19 Apr 2021, 05:45 AMmrgame2

imo as i said to reduce churchill main gun damage to 120 and revert the pop cap nerf. that should give ukf a longer late game while maintaining churchill AI damage sponge role

Jump back to quoted post19 Apr 2021, 06:17 AMleithianz

You should browse more, not just the week I provided.

For now, only March is available to be seen as a month stat. https://coh2stats.com/stats/month/1614556800/1v1/wermacht

Clearly the worst WR 1v1 ~ 4v4.

And idea of making one of the latest tank dmg to 120 is the most ridiculous suggestion I've ever seen. You are saying the latest tech tank with very slow movility needs to shoot & penetrate 6 shots to kill even P4?

sigh...

Jump back to quoted post19 Apr 2021, 06:29 AMmrgame2

the churchill pop cap nerf came after a 1v1 exhibition game where ukf spammed 3 churchill and crush the wehr player iirc. the wehr had couple of p4 and stugs.

that's why a 120 damage main gun but with 3 on the field, it is still terrifying

Jump back to quoted post19 Apr 2021, 06:29 AMmrgame2

the churchill pop cap nerf came after a 1v1 exhibition game where ukf spammed 3 churchill and crush the wehr player iirc. the wehr had couple of p4 and stugs.

that's why a 120 damage main gun but with 3 on the field, it is still terrifying

Jump back to quoted post19 Apr 2021, 06:34 AMMMX

sorry to be so blunt, but you've clearly no idea what you're talking about.
the churchill is already overshadowed by the comet, yet you think it's a great idea to nerf it even further (and this hard)?

Jump back to quoted post19 Apr 2021, 06:37 AMleithianz

In most cases, 3 latest tech tank == win.

Think about it how many times have you seen Axis lossing after stacking 3 panther? Unless Axis lost all inf. while doing so, 3 Panther can dominate in 1v1.

Yes, same thing applies to the Comet or Churchil especially when opponent don't have Panther (Not sure what game you've seen, but circumstance indicates that axis player had a hard time for whole gmae. If not, there is no point of stacking p4 & stug without tier4)

Jump back to quoted post19 Apr 2021, 06:55 AMmrgame2

yes but you can't unlikely to field 3 churchill now. so reverting the popcap and lowering the damage output to be more AI oriented seems better. ukf have firefly and buff piat now.

Jump back to quoted post19 Apr 2021, 06:26 AMleithianz

What you are saying is like below.

Why not just remove HMG from Panther, to make it work as a other TD. Other TD (Jackson/Firefly/su-85) clearly lacks any AI & high armor. It's not fair for panther to have all.

Jump back to quoted post19 Apr 2021, 06:26 AMleithianz

How can it wipe 6 pounder & airborne faster than Comet right? No fair.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIxjdDb0CjE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xg0u1IAuKeQ

Jump back to quoted post19 Apr 2021, 07:01 AMVipper

1) Stug also has MG upgrade and removing MG from Panther will not make it "work as Other TD" there many other differences between the units.

2) FF has a coaxial it is not great, it does not "lack any AI"


Comet had grenades and WP to deal with ATG so the comparison is rather misleading.

Jump back to quoted post19 Apr 2021, 07:03 AMleithianz

Just to make it clear that post & last post from me was to show sarcasm & mirroring. Not to be meant word-by-word.

Hope you understand my mind blown with seeing suggestion to make latest tank dmg 120.

Jump back to quoted post19 Apr 2021, 07:06 AMVipper

"Latest tank" does not really mean much since T-34/76 and Panther can both be considered "Latest tank".

Churchill has a cost,a timing and role that weight more than the title "Latest tank".

Jump back to quoted post19 Apr 2021, 07:22 AMMMX

not sure why you're arguing semantics here honestly.

Jump back to quoted post19 Apr 2021, 07:22 AMMMX

i hope you'd agree that reducing the churchill's main gun to 120 damage would be quite a stupid move, no matter how early or late it comes out with respect to other tanks

Jump back to quoted post19 Apr 2021, 07:40 AMmrgame2

120 is just a start, we can then explore its accuracy aoe against clump up weapon teams and infantry.

we want to reduce its strength against tank and make it more hardy as a front line infantry clearing tank, as its unit description said.

currently it is as vipper said, rather mobile, high health armor, self repairing and quite fast targeting turret rof, 2-3 churchy is big threat

Jump back to quoted post19 Apr 2021, 08:05 AMleithianz

Why don't you just dig a graveyard for the churchil?

Jump back to quoted post19 Apr 2021, 07:40 AMmrgame2

we want to reduce its strength against tank and make it more hardy as a front line infantry clearing tank, as its unit description said.

Jump back to quoted post19 Apr 2021, 08:11 AMKatitof

Infantry support tank does not mean a tank dedicated to killing infantry.

It means a tank that is slow and armored enough to advance together with infantry.

Also, AVRE, you are describing AVRE here.

Jump back to quoted post19 Apr 2021, 08:13 AMmrgame2

avre acts as strong alpha damage while im thinking of consistent damage and harassing on the front line using stock units. it could work

Jump back to quoted post19 Apr 2021, 08:15 AMKatitof

Now you are describing croc.