Here is my idea,
replace their kar98(who uses these anyway) with volk kar98K.
change vet 3 from 0.71 ra 0t.75 cd to 0.935 ra, 5th man and 0.75 cd
this gives mp40 stroms the chance to close the gap. they don't loose dps but dose loose per model resiliance.
since their kar98's are replaced with volk ones 5man G43 storms won't one volley models.
Stormtrooper change idea
7 Apr 2021, 08:25 AM
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7 Apr 2021, 08:51 AM
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Its a squad that has camo that does not go off between covers.
If you can't close gap with them, its L2P issue.
You are asking for ass grens here.
If you can't close gap with them, its L2P issue.
You are asking for ass grens here.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
7 Apr 2021, 09:46 AM
#6
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As a frequent stormtrooper user I can confidently tell that they are in a very good spot now, no changes needed at all.
Just use their camo ability as intended, it lasts for a while even out of cover. If you want to be super aggressive with them, then pick encirclement doctrine, they get sprint there which makes them significantly better at surprise attacks.
Just use their camo ability as intended, it lasts for a while even out of cover. If you want to be super aggressive with them, then pick encirclement doctrine, they get sprint there which makes them significantly better at surprise attacks.
7 Apr 2021, 15:19 PM
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Here is my idea,
replace their kar98(who uses these anyway) with volk kar98K.
change vet 3 from 0.71 ra 0t.75 cd to 0.935 ra, 5th man and 0.75 cd
This looks oddly familiar to SMG partisans from preview patch
7 Apr 2021, 15:33 PM
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well they don't get 5 smg's though that would be super OP.
This looks oddly familiar to SMG partisans from preview patch
7 Apr 2021, 16:11 PM
#9
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Its a squad that has camo that does not go off between covers.
If you can't close gap with them, its L2P issue.
You are asking for ass grens here.
Agree. Ass grens are what you are looking for. Storm have a unique design/playstyle and are viable. I dont see a reason to change them.
7 Apr 2021, 21:49 PM
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Katitof is right, Stormtroopers contrary to their name are not Shock Troops or Assault Grenadiers. They don't approach the enemy, the enemy approaches them. The only change I would make is to give them Obersoldaten Kar98's in an attempt to slightly boost the G43 upgrade, but I still don't think it'd be enough to be worth giving up their role as ambushers.
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8 Apr 2021, 03:04 AM
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Katitof is right, Stormtroopers contrary to their name are not Shock Troops or Assault Grenadiers.
Still don't get why they weren't just named Brandenburgers right off the bat.
8 Apr 2021, 06:57 AM
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Still don't get why they weren't just named Brandenburgers right off the bat.
Because in CoH1 there was a unit called "stormtroopers" and they acted the exact same way.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
8 Apr 2021, 07:09 AM
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Because in CoH1 there was a unit called "stormtroopers" and they acted the exact same way.
Did they? I didn't use them that way. Double MP 44 (the upgrade came in 2x MP 44 packages) Stormtroopers had insane DPS, the Knights Cross Holders and Panzer Elite Assault Grenadiers / MP 44 Panzer Grenadiers didn't hold a candle. Though for 150 Munitions and I don't remember how much Manpower, they better be good.
Anyway I remember them deleting any infantry unit they got close to, and I used them probably about the way you'd use Panzergrenadiers in CoH2.
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8 Apr 2021, 07:21 AM
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Posts: 498
If anything then one thing I may want to get changed about stormtroopers is that in Elite troops doctrine they can be upgraded with their old 4x panzergrens stg 44 package (+tactical assault) instead of the G43s, at their old price of 100 munis. Less effective at close range, but much better at longer ranges and better wipe potential with tactical assault. Would make 'elite troops' doctrine actually contain a decent elite troop.
8 Apr 2021, 07:33 AM
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As expensive infiltration troops they should have 5 entities and their DPS adjusted.
4 entities squad lose too much DPS when they sustain causalities and need to retreat early especially when operating behind enemy lines.
4 entities squad lose too much DPS when they sustain causalities and need to retreat early especially when operating behind enemy lines.
8 Apr 2021, 09:32 AM
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Did they? I didn't use them that way. Double MP 44 (the upgrade came in 2x MP 44 packages) Stormtroopers had insane DPS, the Knights Cross Holders and Panzer Elite Assault Grenadiers / MP 44 Panzer Grenadiers didn't hold a candle. Though for 150 Munitions and I don't remember how much Manpower, they better be good.
Anyway I remember them deleting any infantry unit they got close to, and I used them probably about the way you'd use Panzergrenadiers in CoH2.
At vet 3 coh1 stormtroopers had
Camo
114 hp per model (literally 2x of allied models)
equivalent of 1.8 armor
passive healing
the stg 44 in terms of coh2 dps would be around 28 dps which is nuts.
8 Apr 2021, 09:41 AM
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At vet 3 coh1 stormtroopers had
Camo
114 hp per model (literally 2x of allied models)
equivalent of 1.8 armor
passive healing
the stg 44 in terms of coh2 dps would be around 28 dps which is nuts.
Thanks for putting numbers to it! They is insanely strong, nothing in CoH2 comes close. The DPS alone is higher than 4 IR StG's, the strongest single weapon in the game, which is limited to 2.
The HP was a point I forgot to bring up, but models in CoH1 did not have standard health values, Stormtroopers could eat a Grenade and still decimate a squad of Rifles.
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8 Apr 2021, 10:13 AM
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Thanks for putting numbers to it! They is insanely strong, nothing in CoH2 comes close. The DPS alone is higher than 4 IR StG's, the strongest single weapon in the game, which is limited to 2.
The HP was a point I forgot to bring up, but models in CoH1 did not have standard health values, Stormtroopers could eat a Grenade and still decimate a squad of Rifles.
Though to be honest stg44 weren't the strongest weapons in the game. F42's had an equivalent of 32 dps and the grens lmg 42 had 35 dps(if rifles got that it would 78 dps by vet3).
8 Apr 2021, 14:47 PM
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STG44 Stormtroopers were one thing, stealthed tank-deleter blobs with Panzerschrecks were another entirely.
8 Apr 2021, 14:53 PM
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STG44 Stormtroopers were one thing, stealthed tank-deleter blobs with Panzerschrecks were another entirely.
i don't think i'v ever come across those. Normal gren schrek blobs sure. Not cloaked storm ones.
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