Commander Update Beta 2021 - Soviet Feedback

Jump back to quoted post21 Apr 2021, 10:04 AMVipper

Maybe because the commander already combines good abilities like the T-34/85 (top main battle tank) /Shock troops (top doctrinal infatry)/Strong off map (very cost efficient thought a bit inconstant)/120mm mortar so the remaining ability should be less potent else it would run the risk of overshadowing other T-34/85 commander reducing the number of meta commanders.

The aim of commander patch should not be to create the commander with best abilities but to bring as many commander as possible to similar power levels.

Jump back to quoted post21 Apr 2021, 13:49 PMgeneral_gawain

I do think he meant that Vehicle detection has absolutely no thematic fit in Shock Army. There are other less powerful abilities which could have been taken instead of Vehicle detection.

Jump back to quoted post21 Apr 2021, 13:59 PMVipper

It fit the theme as much as it fit the theme of "Shock Motor Heavy Tactics" the only other commander that is is available in which also happens to be a "Shock" commander.

If you have another suggestion feel free to provide although and if you have a commander where VD fits better thematically also feel free to provide it.

Jump back to quoted post21 Apr 2021, 14:11 PMgeneral_gawain

Imo thematically it would fit Tank Hunter of course and Mechanized Support too.
ATG-Ambush is a powerless ability for one commander ability slot that fits the meaning of the word "Shock". But that is just one example.

I posted because I just wanted to remark that he was arguing thematically on his second post while you were answering about balance.

Jump back to quoted post21 Apr 2021, 14:11 PMgeneral_gawain

Imo thematically it would fit Tank Hunter of course and Mechanized Support too.
ATG-Ambush is a powerless ability for one commander ability slot that fits the meaning of the word "Shock". But that is just one example.

I posted because I just wanted to remark that he was arguing thematically on his second post while you were answering about balance.

Jump back to quoted post21 Apr 2021, 14:21 PMVipper

Vehicle detection does fit tank hunters commander but it would be a nerf since it is already available to PTRS conscripts.

Jump back to quoted post21 Apr 2021, 15:47 PMgeneral_gawain

Something could be bundled at Tank hunter to make place for Vehicle detection. Cons ability could be removed since it is obviously better to have the ability as a global one instead of beeing bound to an unit. Looking at loadout picking rates (200+ and Top200 across all game modes) Tank hunter still could get a buff after all.

Jump back to quoted post21 Apr 2021, 16:26 PMVipper

It already has been buffed, it got ML-20 replaced by B4 and PTRS a CP earlier.

Jump back to quoted post21 Apr 2021, 16:26 PMVipper

The problem with commander has little to VC and imo there are other abilities that should be looked at (PTRB/camo).

Jump back to quoted post21 Apr 2021, 16:26 PMVipper

I personally would rather see "mark target" in TH thanks VD.

Jump back to quoted post21 Apr 2021, 10:04 AMVipper

Maybe because the commander already combines good abilities like the T-34/85 (top main battle tank) /Shock troops (top doctrinal infatry)/Strong off map (very cost efficient thought a bit inconstant)/120mm mortar so the remaining ability should be less potent else it would run the risk of overshadowing other T-34/85 commander reducing the number of meta commanders.

The aim of commander patch should not be to create the commander with best abilities but to bring as many commander as possible to similar power levels.

Jump back to quoted post21 Apr 2021, 17:42 PM12ozMouse

I've conducted some tests on guard paratroopers with DPs. They are absolutely inferior to obers, at both maximum and minimum veterancy levels, which is quite odd considering the fact that both their costs and battlefield roles are comparable. It would also be neat to add the PPSH paras the ability to cease fire, just like for every other ambush style troops.

Jump back to quoted post21 Apr 2021, 17:42 PM12ozMouse

I've conducted some tests on guard paratroopers with DPs. They are absolutely inferior to obers, at both maximum and minimum veterancy levels, which is quite odd considering the fact that both their costs and battlefield roles are comparable. It would also be neat to add the PPSH paras the ability to cease fire, just like for every other ambush style troops.