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Sure, You do realize that cons are cheap to both purchase and reinforce right. Unless you play like a moron you should not bleed.
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I guess soviets have no way to actually fight the axis besides just charging infantry.
Conscripts bleed heavily when Axis upgrade their infantry until you can upgrade Conscripts with MR. They are cheap to reinforce, but also come with high RA.
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Maybe because Conscripts have to wait until T4, bleeding like stuffed pigs unlike Obers which come at at T4 and directly start owning allied infantry.
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Sure, You do realize that cons are cheap to both purchase and reinforce right. Unless you play like a moron you should not bleed.
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They really don't, especially if you are against USF and the enemy has already double weapons
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USF is something else. 120 Munitions is already a fortune and Rifles are not cheap either. Also finding spare munis for all double weapons while you have to take sweepers, smokes, mines is whole another hardship anyways.
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I guess soviets have no way to actually fight the axis besides just charging infantry.
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Then I wonder why there are con builds so popular if that was the case. Surely con penal Hybrid builds would be prevalent if with now the earlier timing of t70 back teching to t2 shouldn't really be an issue.
Well then, do the calculation or whatever you like. Conscripts are not very MP efficient against upgraded Axis squads before their upgrade. On top of that, a Soviet Conscript build generates a lack of MP in the early to mid phase, leading to a very MP starved faction until you get MR and vet3 on your Conscripts. Soviet tech is way more expensive than Axis's tech regarding MP.
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Then I wonder why there are con builds so popular if that was the case. Surely con penal Hybrid builds would be prevalent if with now the earlier timing of t70 back teching to t2 shouldn't really be an issue.
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I mean 270mp+60muni Shouldn't be strong vs all other mainline infantry???
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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Not really when all other mainline infantry post upgrades dwarves this cost.
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Other than Conscripts, who are 257mp + 50mu. Volks are slightly cheaper, but are worse. Rifles and Sections do cost more when fully upgraded though, of course.
Not that I'm saying that VSL Grens should beat all other mainlines, but they obviously aren't the cheapest infantry.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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Molo and AT nades unlock for free now?
And timing is also a factor, upgrades that arrive in late game tend to be stronger then ones in early game.
They still are if you don't ignore some factors.
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I mean 270mp+60muni Shouldn't be strong vs all other mainline infantry???
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Not really when all other mainline infantry post upgrades dwarves this cost.
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Molo and AT nades are tech, not unit costs. It doesn't make sense to include those (or any similar techs) in unit costs, particularly with how it gets diluted the more units you create.
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yo, an Idea for Assault Grens. At T3 give them a second alternate upgrade. This gives them smoke(replaces sprint) and 2 stormtrooper mp40's for 70 munis.
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Of course they also have to think about tech cost in terms of "cost efficiency". Most of upgrades for the Allies mainline inf. requires additional upgrade. You have to consider opportunity cost of that mp & fuel used.
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