Commander Update Beta 2021 - General Feedback

Jump back to quoted post9 Apr 2021, 18:14 PMVipper

Small correction this is Ostheer unit and not an OKW one.

Luftwaffe Officer

Suppression strafe cost from 60 to 50
Suppresion Strafe now requires veterancy 1
Recon Plane no longer requires veterancy 1
Smoke plane cooldown from 50 to 90

Jump back to quoted post9 Apr 2021, 18:28 PMelchino7

100 hours of aimless practicing is less effective that 1 hour of focused training.

-222 is not a dedicated AA platform. Think about it like having a extra couple of pintle MG upgrades.
-Flak HQ is also not a dedicated AA platform and the OKW player needs to activate the AA mode.
-All planes are effective on their first pass.
-All planes that track units will still be effective against retreating/moving units.
-Ostwind is the less effective dedicated AA unit of all factions due to RoF.
-PvP in beta can be unreliable depending on time zone. It's generally more effective to make custom games.

Jump back to quoted post9 Apr 2021, 22:27 PMZeroZeroNi

SO basically F axis for existing.

Jump back to quoted post9 Apr 2021, 23:41 PMelchino7

OH is the one screwed in regards to good dedicated AA unless you have a vet2 Ostwind.

Jump back to quoted post10 Apr 2021, 00:28 AMFunPolice

Honestly was expecting a bigger set of changes with the second iteration. More commanders changes, more radical changes.

Jump back to quoted post10 Apr 2021, 07:55 AMSander93

This update was primarily for bugfixes, with some changes thrown in alongside it.
I expect there will be a bigger update next week.

Jump back to quoted post9 Apr 2021, 19:08 PMelchino7

I think that was previous to the last patch. I would have to test them back one by one but i'm still under the impression when considering factors like rotation as well, that the Ostwind lags behind all other dedicated AA units.

Jump back to quoted post10 Apr 2021, 07:55 AMSander93

I expect there will be a bigger update next week.

Jump back to quoted post11 Apr 2021, 07:16 AMVipper

For instance urban assault that has calliope available is picked consistently more the tactical support across all mods and maps indicating that simply bring too much to the table and should adjusted.

Jump back to quoted post11 Apr 2021, 12:44 PMTygrys

Same goes for every leFH and Elefant commander then. Possibly Tiger.

Jump back to quoted post11 Apr 2021, 07:16 AMVipper

Imo the change need to take a look to more commander especially utilizing the stat on commanders load out:

For instance urban assault that has calliope available is picked consistently more the tactical support across all mods and maps indicating that simply bring too much to the table and should adjusted.

Same goes for Airborne over Reckon that probably has to to with bundled Paras which mate it more difficult to field.

One should also be careful buffing very popular commander like UKF mobile assault regiment that is already one of the top preference in load out strangely across all modes

Jump back to quoted post11 Apr 2021, 13:19 PMgeneral_gawain

One thing to keep in mind by doing this: Factions with more holes in their roster should be allowed to stuff more holes with commander pick.

It would be better of course if the biggest holes of all factions would be stuffed nondoctrinal. Brits are the best example what happens if you have no mobile artillery piece at all. Mobile Assault or Royal Artillery Regiment get picked pretty much every multiplayer game because they have those missing artillery pieces.

I know the dev team doesn't want it, but the biggest change for UKF-commander pick would be a nondoctrinal land mattress. You would see a lot more of the other commander choices suddenly.

Jump back to quoted post11 Apr 2021, 13:53 PMVipper

Mobile assault is already the most popular commander even in 1vs1 and adding raid section will make it even more popular.

Jump back to quoted post11 Apr 2021, 13:53 PMVipper

Commander changes are less relevant to balance of the faction, any problem the faction has should not be solved a commander.

Jump back to quoted post9 Apr 2021, 23:41 PMelchino7

OKW can either "passively" use Pintles + Flak HQ or get a good dedicated Flak HT.

OH is the one screwed in regards to good dedicated AA unless you have a vet2 Ostwind.

Jump back to quoted post12 Apr 2021, 15:49 PMjagd wölfe

I wish the Flak HQ was as good as the 222 in AA
OST definetly doesn't need the Ostwind

Jump back to quoted post12 Apr 2021, 19:05 PMKatitof

Try flak HT instead, you know, the actual AA unit for OKW.

Jump back to quoted post12 Apr 2021, 19:07 PMjagd wölfe

That's an useful tip for mechanized build. Glad I can get useful imput from helpful and passionate coh 2 players like yourself

Jump back to quoted post12 Apr 2021, 19:25 PMKatitof

You're trying to tell me that regardless of how long the game is, you just refuse to get a building that heals your infantry??
ImperialDane is teaching you how to axis?