Brummbar performance

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2021, 16:17 PMpvtgooner

Ranger zook blob is a good way to get fucked by a brummbar.

Jump back to quoted post25 Mar 2021, 17:30 PMMr Carmine

The su85 isent a tank

Jump back to quoted post25 Mar 2021, 15:58 PMSpoof

I assume you are excluding the SU85.

Jump back to quoted post28 Mar 2021, 21:19 PMLatch

Problem with the Brum whenever I face it is that it bounces a hell of a lot of shots from both AT guns and the cromwells

Jump back to quoted post28 Mar 2021, 22:35 PMSander93

Cromwell yes, but that's obvious.

ATGs not so much.
Vet 0 ATGs have a 62-75% of penetrating a vet 0 Brummbar at max range (M1 using Sabot).
At vet 3 they have 78-85% of penetrating a vet 2 Brummbar at max range.
ZiS being the weakest, 6-pounder in the middle and M1 with Sabot having the highest chance.


Generally, two spaced out ATGs are enough to keep it at bay and will definitely out trade it in a (isolated) head-on engagement.

Jump back to quoted post28 Mar 2021, 23:51 PMSander93

Isolated as in balanced. With the ATGs protected. There's no way a Brummbar can realistically go in against two ATGs and expect to win, unless it gets exceptionally good RNG. Because unlike you claim, ATGs have very good chances to penetrate it even at max range. And that chance only goes up the further the Brummbar moves in to get shots off with its low 35 range.

Yes the Brummbar is great, and yes it can be hard to deal with.
But it does not bounce that many ATG shells.

Jump back to quoted post28 Mar 2021, 23:55 PMLatch

Isolated as in balanced? So the balance team wont be touching the Brumbar then I take it as its balanced? As I don't know how you can say something is balanced based off an ideal scenario...

It might have low range, easily penned by ATG's but you seem to forget maps being full of shot blockers, counters to ATG's being on the field, so on and so forth. With the logic of ideal scenario = balanced, then every unit in the game is balanced and no further changes need to be made, right?

Jump back to quoted post28 Mar 2021, 21:19 PMLatch

Problem with the Brum whenever I face it is that it bounces a hell of a lot of shots from both AT guns and the cromwells.

It might be balanced in 1v1's and maybe 2v2's but as I've been playing a lot of 3v3's it is very powerful in that game mode.

The rate at which it bounces shots + the fact it can be supported by TD's from either teammates or the same player due to the fast rate of fuel in team games means that saying "Go for TD's" doesn't really work.

Late game you then have to contend with a brum backed up by an ele, Jag or KT, and that's just a nightmare.

Jump back to quoted post29 Mar 2021, 02:00 AMmrgame2

i would say cromwell taking on a brumbar is way more effective than a p4 vs churchill or kv1.

Jump back to quoted post29 Mar 2021, 07:07 AMKatitof

Brummbar and kv/churchill are so incomparable I don't even have anything to compare to.
What's the point even saying that?

Jump back to quoted post29 Mar 2021, 07:51 AMmrgame2

any further nerf to brumbar also need to nerf kv and churchill which ost are finding hard to fight off and have lesser tools than allies vs brumbar

Jump back to quoted post29 Mar 2021, 08:09 AMTygrys

Yes, less tools than the allies. PaKs, Panzer IV/70, Pupchen, StuG, PanzerSchrecks - absolutely inadequate tools.

Jump back to quoted post29 Mar 2021, 08:39 AMSerrith

When did ostheer get the Jagdpanzer 4 and the raketen?

Jump back to quoted post29 Mar 2021, 07:51 AMmrgame2

any further nerf to brumbar also need to nerf kv and churchill which ost are finding hard to fight off and have lesser tools than allies vs brumbar