So is 5 man grens completely useless now

Jump back to quoted post26 Jan 2021, 00:10 AMStug life

leaving aside the fact that osther is crutching on that commander and and still losing easily Vs sov and USF in the same tournament

The missing NERF is to the move dps, g43 loses 8% DPS on the move the stg loses 50%

Idk if it's heavy or not , just compare a rifle bar DPS Vs 5 green DPS until is balanced

No need for another mobile defence

Jump back to quoted post25 Jan 2021, 19:08 PMSander93

I'm not the one making wild claims here.

But anyway, here is some perspective from ML4:

Jump back to quoted post25 Jan 2021, 15:44 PMHannibal

Single bar Rifles/Bren IS are still more expensive than VSL grenadiers. And late game they even cost the same for reinforcement.

Jump back to quoted post26 Jan 2021, 03:45 AMThamor

So what? Cost is irrelevant to this talk as Pgrens cost more and they can't win against IS or Rifle with weapon upgrades.

Jump back to quoted post26 Jan 2021, 01:17 AMelchino7

OH with the perfect 50% WR
OH winning more games against soviets with 50.8%

Not sure how the commander ends up doing, but pro players deem it worth of using it for the tournament.

Jump back to quoted post25 Jan 2021, 22:55 PMPip

By what measure are you saying that VSL is bad, exactly?

Jump back to quoted post26 Jan 2021, 04:54 AMZeroZeroNi

In the sense single upgraded rifles and sections can bully you now. As I said the cost is similar and it's doc ability. I mean they bully you even when you have non doc lmg what's the point.

Jump back to quoted post26 Jan 2021, 05:53 AMmrgame2

Replace the HT with a Tiger. Problem solved. Vsl is pretty much volks now, I don't see why they can't get a tiger support

Jump back to quoted post26 Jan 2021, 05:53 AMmrgame2

Replace the HT with a Tiger. Problem solved. Vsl is pretty much volks now, I don't see why they can't get a tiger support

Jump back to quoted post26 Jan 2021, 05:57 AMSupport Sapper

Replace m10 in lend leas by a Pershing or croc, because ass section is pretty much ass gren and ass gren have heavy support.

Jump back to quoted post26 Jan 2021, 06:01 AMZeroZeroNi

Idk, Kinda goes against "German Infantry Doctrine" naming convention

Jump back to quoted post26 Jan 2021, 06:18 AMmrgame2

Yes but the 'infantry' portion already nerfed to hell in v5 patch.

Jump back to quoted post26 Jan 2021, 05:57 AMSupport Sapper

Replace m10 in lend leas by a Pershing or croc, because ass section is pretty much ass gren and ass gren have heavy support.

Jump back to quoted post26 Jan 2021, 06:24 AMSupport Sapper

Vls is not the only "infantry portion" of the Commander. Stomptrooper is an infantry unit, you have the HT which support the infantry and then the frag bomb - an anti infantry off map, the theme is there mor than ever.

Jump back to quoted post26 Jan 2021, 06:04 AMZeroZeroNi

Churches are non doc so is what's it called... Comet too(which is basically the persing in terms of armor and hp). They do have that already.

Jump back to quoted post25 Jan 2021, 23:05 PMZeroZeroNi

Now how do I explain this, the cost most of side tech in the game is really arbitrary at this. The original purpose of these side techs were to force you the player to decide to I sacrifice teching up for making my already existing army stronger. That cost is of very little significance in that regard, it's actually a minor micro inconvenience at this point actually. And how would you evaluate that actually. Divide by the number of units you make what happens if you make more/less units. Then what kind of price are you willing to put on doctrinal exclusivity which locks you out of options that these side techs no not. It's not me being disingenuous it's me failing to account for many factor that has no way of being accounted for. Like rally what if you make 7 rifles in a game(make em replace em what ever) that cost of racks is nothing compared to giving up JU87's, Spotting scopes, Ninja panzers, Tiger and a lot of other things. If you can come up with a better metric for accounting for all of this i'd like to hear it.

Jump back to quoted post26 Jan 2021, 03:52 AMmrgame2

Allies still have higher win rates for all players. If we removed ukf outlier, the % of allies dominance grows higher too