[Winter Balance Update] OKW Feedback

Jump back to quoted post21 Dec 2020, 06:25 AMOlfin

I Inspired from your suggestion the following.

1- Battlegroup will include m34 and lelg available from the start, and ober after upgrade(maybe having additional side tech to enable Ober to upgrade there weapon, or lock the Ober weapon upgrades until T3 or T4 being built).
2 - Mechanized will include flak half truck and Infrared half truck from the start, and Panzer2 and Puma after upgrade.
3 - T4 will include Stuka from the start, and the P4, JP4 and Panzer after upgrade.

What is your thoughts?
I hope that balance team will take our suggestions in mind ,and make something useful from them.

Jump back to quoted post21 Dec 2020, 08:52 AMmongman

not bad, the only dilemma I see tho would be the time required to research luchs and puma could mean they miss their window of opportunity to be useful

Jump back to quoted post21 Dec 2020, 20:39 PMDescolata

Price tag, dropability. The 33% loto... really sucks. How much are STGs? 60?

Also, its how non-doc USF competes with non-doc elite infantry. I believe MG34 Obers shread them.

Jump back to quoted post21 Dec 2020, 19:53 PMSpoof

Why does a single USF BAR do more damage than both Volks StGs combined at almost all ranges? At least, that seems to be the case when I look at the stats on https://coh2.serealia.ca/, although I could be wrong.

Jump back to quoted post21 Dec 2020, 20:46 PMKatitof

Because it requires investing manpower and fuel that does not contribute to the tech and can't be equipped at enemy territory, it can also drop, while STGs can't.

Jump back to quoted post21 Dec 2020, 20:49 PMSpoof

Even if StGs could drop, who would ever waste a weapon slot on them? I totally understand the part where the StG upgrade comes fast and can be upgraded out of territory. However, I don't think that BARs making Volks completely obsolete and forcing LMG Obers is a good design. I'm not calling for a big buff, either the StG upgrade doesn't take up both slots so Volks can pick up dropped weapons, or rework their veterancy bonuses a little.

Jump back to quoted post21 Dec 2020, 20:49 PMSpoof

Even if StGs could drop, who would ever waste a weapon slot on them? I totally understand the part where the StG upgrade comes fast and can be upgraded out of territory. However, I don't think that BARs making Volks completely obsolete and forcing LMG Obers is a good design. I'm not calling for a big buff, either the StG upgrade doesn't take up both slots so Volks can pick up dropped weapons, or rework their veterancy bonuses a little.

Jump back to quoted post21 Dec 2020, 20:49 PMSpoof

Even if StGs could drop, who would ever waste a weapon slot on them? I totally understand the part where the StG upgrade comes fast and can be upgraded out of territory. However, I don't think that BARs making Volks completely obsolete and forcing LMG Obers is a good design. I'm not calling for a big buff, either the StG upgrade doesn't take up both slots so Volks can pick up dropped weapons, or rework their veterancy bonuses a little.

Jump back to quoted post21 Dec 2020, 20:49 PMSpoof

Even if StGs could drop, who would ever waste a weapon slot on them? I totally understand the part where the StG upgrade comes fast and can be upgraded out of territory. However, I don't think that BARs making Volks completely obsolete and forcing LMG Obers is a good design. I'm not calling for a big buff, either the StG upgrade doesn't take up both slots so Volks can pick up dropped weapons, or rework their veterancy bonuses a little.

Jump back to quoted post22 Dec 2020, 07:21 AMAerohank

If Volks could already stand up to double BAR riflemen, how would USF be able to handle Obers on top of that?

I'm not in favor of the way USF/UKF are designed in terms of weapon upgrades, but as long as neither faction has elite non-doctrinal infantry available to them, their basic infantry kinda has to out-perform axis basic infantry when fully upgraded so they don't get rolled when axis elites hit the field.

Jump back to quoted post22 Dec 2020, 07:21 AMAerohank

If Volks could already stand up to double BAR riflemen, how would USF be able to handle Obers on top of that?

Raketenwerfer
The Raketenwerfer is having its target size increased to match other anti-tank guns. This should have no impact when the gun is crewed, but will make abandoned Raketenwerfers easier to destroy.
- Gun target size from 10 to 20

Le.IG 18
In line with the mortar smoke changes, the Le.IG is having its reload reduced on its smoke barrage.
- Le.IG smoke reload from 2.3/3.6 to 0.55/1.85

Panzer II Luchs
The Luchs is being made into a proper detection vehicle to reinforce its role as an infantry hunter. Its penalties against heavy cover and garrisons are also being reduced to make the Luchs more effective at attacking infantry in defensive positions.
- Detection range from 15 to 25
- Damage modifier against heavy cover and garrisons from .25/0.3 to 0.5

Hetzer
The Hetzer is having its initial target size increased to make it easier to drive off in the mid-game thanks to its new timing. Previously, it was too difficult to hit for the amount of armour and health it had.
- Target size from 15 to 17
- Veterancy 1 now also provides 0.8824 Received accuracy, returning its target size back to 15.

Jump back to quoted post22 Dec 2020, 17:59 PMSpoof

I'm not. I'm asking for Volks to stand up to single BARs. One BAR still does more DPS than both StGs combined at most ranges. Combine that with better RA(?) for Riflemen models and the balance of engagements is in favor of the Rifles. Sure, weapon racks do take a while to come out but the powerspike associated with them is insane. Double BARS just makes Volks obsolete except for their Panzerfaust. I actually don't have much gripe with Brens because StGs outdps them at close range, which is good design.