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If ram can only be done at 50% hp it wont hit the tank, it will be dead before it hits.
Now if rams always gives you a nearly full refund that would be intetesting lol.
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The ability was always meant to be a last resort instead of the first choice.
Even so one can still move the T-34/76 in ram position with full hp and wait for HP to drop to use the ability. That give opponent more time to react to the cheese ram/off map combo.
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No need to come up with excuses where there are none. The ram was originally conceived as a countermeasure for the Tigers and Elephants, and at some points in time it was the only countermeasure against them. Ram + ML-20. Let's make it so that for example smoke from tanks (German smoke grenades, Sherman smoke mine, Cromwell smoke projectile) can only be used with 50% HP, and your excuse will be perfect to justify this - The ability was always meant to be a last resort instead of the first choice.
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No need to come up with excuses where there are none. The ram was originally conceived as a countermeasure for the Tigers and Elephants, and at some points, in time it was the only countermeasure against them. Ram + ML-20. Let's make it so that for example smoke from tanks (German smoke grenades, Sherman smoke mine, Cromwell smoke projectile) can only be used with 50% HP, and your excuse will be perfect to justify this - The ability was always meant to be a last resort instead of the first choice.
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Nope that is incorrect.
Patch notes:
"Ram
Currently, ram is being used as a crowd control measure to disable other vehicles. The intent isn’t for a full health T34 to ram other vehicles; instead, ram should be used when the T34 is near death to highlight its usage as a last resort type ability.
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Currently, this is the time that tries to justify ridiculous changes, for example I have a T-34 and I fully understand that he is dead, but I have 51% health. There are AT weapons around and I want to ram because the only logical move, but I can't do it, I have to wait for even more damage to him.
All that will do this change is the lazy removal of the ability from the game. Mixed in to do some serious work with the T-34-76 and T-34-85 abilities.
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Yes there are some hypothetical scenario that it going to be difficult to use. The fact remain that the ability was always meant to be a last resort instead of a "A there is tiger let me built a T-34/76 so I can rem it and finish it of with off map. That was simply not the design of the ability
T-34/76 was meant to be a flanker tank and that is why it penetration is increased with range more than other units.
Now T-34 might or might need adjustments but that is irrelevant to ram+off map combo.
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Well that goes both way since soviet doctrinal units are available in most commander and are extremely cost efficient.
If one want to get rid the "design leftover" one will also have to reduce the number of commander these unit are available and power of those units....
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always? I think you are deeply mistaken here. Elephant was originally in T4, and I remember that from the Alpha test. And the T-34 with Ram was an obvious countermeasure for the Elephant from the start, so this ability was originally conceived as a countermeasure for heavy tanks, there were changes, but Ram remained, there have been even deeper changes, but Ram is still here, and this ability is a rudiment for current gameplay and must be removed.
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then nerf the doctrinal shit and buff the core soviet army...
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then nerf the doctrinal shit and buff the core soviet army...
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then nerf the doctrinal shit and buff the core soviet army...
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What "doctrinal shit"? I don't see anyone use Shocks much in 1v1
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Yes there are some hypothetical scenario that it going to be difficult to use. The fact remain that the ability was always meant to be a last resort instead of a "A there is tiger let me built a T-34/76 so I can rem it and finish it of with off map. That was simply not the design of the ability
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Shocks, ISU, KV2, T34/85, AT overwatch, IL2 AT strafe, etc.
Shocks especially are a bit too strong overall IMO.
The problem with Soviet doctrines is also how stacked they are. Why do the ISU doctrines have so much strong stuff in them like Shocks, Guards, Mark Target, Il2. Just too much for one single doctrine. Or Urban Defence with Forward HQ, Shocks, Mini-AT, KV2 and booby traps.
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soviet already got their other counter improved like PTRS Penals and SU-76.
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It plain and clear it patch-notes read it again:
"The intent isn’t for a full health T34 to ram other vehicles; instead, ram should be used when the T34 is near death to highlight its usage as a last resort type ability."
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It was actually the exact design of the ability. Old soviets had to choose between SU85 tech or T34/76 tech. If you went the latter, you had to ram tanks and hope for the best to counter axis heavies.
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