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kv8 rear armor 145
p4 near pen 125
brumbar rear armor 105/126
t3476 near pen 120
su85 far pen 220/242(patch)
time to apply same standards with brumbar nerfs!
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If you sre suggesting that the kv-8 gets the ability to wipe squads instantly in very going to disagree with you.
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Every single thing you said mostly allied infantry have the same available options or some options which are even better. Point of puma is actually having a mobile vehicle that can fight on par or better vs t70/stuart/daimler. Anyway even if you go for puma you get a pretty lackluster commander whose only reason to even take it is the Puma. Why it shouldn't be so late in getting it if you pick that commander.
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I did a some Testing of V5 with VSL with an stg44, and here are my suggestions:
STG
Increase STG damage from 4 to 5
Current damage potential
4 damage x9 burst = 36
New damage potential
5 damage x 9 Burst = 45
BAR damage potential (for comparison)
8 damage x 6 Burst = 48
Grenade
VSL and G43 upgrades should replace the rifle Grenade with Model 24 grenades
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Beyond that has there been any consideration for a tiny buff to grenadiers? I remember seeing something about Grens getting bonus accuracy against suppressed units since Ostheer relies a lot on the MG42. It would be a slight buff to them and make them slightly more effective overall while kinda fitting the essence of the faction. I know this is a fairly devided discussion as a lot of people have varying thoughts on grens but a small buff like that shouldn't be to drastic a buff while still giving them a little more oomph.
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Thank you, I've made adjustments to my original post.
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I've been the constant proponent of this.
It's not a "bonus" accuracy rather than reducing the penalties on shooting suppressed squads. Which atm is 0.5 for most weapons and 0.75 for SMG/STG.
I cautiously suggested 0.75 (even though it could just be fined with 1.0) for their basic Kar Rifles and it would be a simple small buff that goes with the whole design of OH working around the MG42. Engagements against suppressed units don't tend to be that long.
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IMO OST should really move away from the whole "gren+hmg42" meme, not towards it. On some maps the MG42 works, and on some maps it doesn't. Forcing this meme, even if you can some how balance it in some situations, removes maps like stalingrad from the 'serious map' pool because OST can barely use MG42, and maps like crossing in the woods get removed because allies can't handle MG42.
Leaves very little variety in the available map design, and any deviation in maps muddies the faction balance.
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You might not like it but that's the direction we have regarding faction/map balance for the last 5/7 years. Stalingrad has been removed from the map rotation and Crossing is still been played. Not sure what you imply here.
MG42 is T0 and it's cheap for what it brings to the table compared to others. You are asking to completely rework how OH plays towards something more like OKW.
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One would expect that if balancing grens and MG42 as a necessary combo was a good starting point that 5/7 years worth of work wouldn't result in grens being the last choice for OST in the current meta, and a balance problem for years.
I suggest that the people who have been complaining about MG-42 being OP for years are right, and the people who have complained about grens being UP for years are also right, and the solution all along has been to move away from the meme combo instead of forcing "can only win in wide-open terrain" design pressures.
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I did a some Testing of V5 with VSL with an stg44, and here are my suggestions:
STG
increase the STG damage from 4 to 5
Current damage potential
vet0
range 0 (7.52 DPS)
range 15 (5.57 DPS)
range 30 (2.894)
New damage potential
vet0
range 0 (9.4 DPS)
range 15 (6.9625 DPS)
range 30 (3.6175 DPS)
Pgren STG damage potential (for comparison)
vet0
range 0 (15.492 DPS)
range 15 (9.214 DPS)
range 30 (2.767 DPS)
BAR damage potential (for comparison)
vet0
range 0 (13.204 DPS)
range 15 (6.502 DPS)
range 30 (4.202 DPS)
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Grenade
VSL and G43 upgrades should replace the rifle Grenade with Model 24 grenades
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so the patched vsl is going to be worse than stock rifles/bar.
thats before rifles get vet or double bars or both!
Yeah whats the hooha about vsl?? It was supposed to be too oppressive?
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I do agree the VSL STG needs some finetuning. However, Its important to keep in mind that VSL gives Grens a STG44, increased squad size, Free medkits and other bonus. Unlike Riflemen which just get a BAR when upgraded.
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yes but vsl is a doctrine, it locks you out of other cool abilities and heavy tanks.
it should be stronger than rifles + bar/2bars."
> panther is a thing.
> Assault and Hold is cool and useful abilities
> 5 mans upgrade just compeletely shut down Ost weakest. Say hello with Halftrack snowball with free heal. They can stay in front of your gate until the match end.
> Fragment bomb = super cool
dont forget stromtrooper and it halftrack ~
common, 5 men Gren bring Ost to USF old time
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