[Winter Balance Update] USF Feedback

Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2020, 19:09 PMVipper

USF ver 4

Officer Transfer Orders
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--A good option add to vehicles crews also (although I would rather have replace the vet 1 ability that could be move to elite armor doctrine)

M1 81mm Mortar
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--Pls stop buffing the USF mortar.

The unit is simply not weaker than other mortars while it come with no tech unlike other moratrs.


M7 Light Anti-Vehicle Mine
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--A good change

Pack Howitzer
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--PLS fix the HEAT barrage which is OP.

M15 AA Half-Track
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--Good change.

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Other:
--M20 pls bring upgrade inline with other units and replace the MU cost manpower/fuel there is not reason for this inconstancy.

--Major bring in line with other infatry and make smoke and barrage share CD or removed smoke from the unit.

Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2020, 01:59 AMtheekvn

1/ then buff tank crews repairs.
2/ by lacking range than Ost, OKW inderect fire, M81 trully a Mirco mortar. Not to mention going M81 first would give USF a handicap.
3/ Howie in patch test is useless autofire stuff. testing in V3 need around 7-9 barrages to gain vet 2. And yet HEAT is not OP as all. HEAT barrage is the answer for Turrle playstyle even it is not effective as rocket arty.
4/No !, M20 armor skirt update is Balanced. This is unity car, not direct combat armor car. If you want MP/fuel upgrade than change .50 cal to 37mm canon.
5/ He is Major, not your private.

Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2020, 19:09 PMVipper

USF ver 4

Officer Transfer Orders
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--A good option add to vehicles crews also (although I would rather have replace the vet 1 ability that could be move to elite armor doctrine)

Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2020, 08:23 AMAerohank

Having withdraw orders in the ui of a unit itself is a bad idea as it is a suicide button that you can accidently click. If it would be implemented it should be a 6th commander slot like the KT so it requires 2 clicks to activate.

Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2020, 07:53 AMVipper

There is a hole analysis on mortar and the result is quite clear. The auto fire of Ostheer and USF mortar are about equal and in live Ostheer mortar has a slight edge in barrage.

The patch improves the barrage and the cost.

That will simply make USF mortar superior to Ostheer and that simply goes against faction design. Ostheer have inferior mainline infatry and superior support weapons and vice versa.

Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2020, 10:12 AMMMX

since you mentioned the mortar analysis, i've just realized that i've mistakenly used the wrong aoe profile for the m1 while calculating the performance back then (should've used m1_81mm_mortar_team_mp instead of m1_81mm_mortar_mp... who would have known >.<)
it should thus be a bit worse than its german equivalent.
will update the guide with the correct numbers soon(tm)

Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2020, 08:23 AMAerohank

Having withdraw orders in the ui of a unit itself is a bad idea as it is a suicide button that you can accidently click. If it would be implemented it should be a 6th commander slot like the KT so it requires 2 clicks to activate.

Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2020, 08:23 AMAerohank

Having withdraw orders in the ui of a unit itself is a bad idea as it is a suicide button that you can accidently click. If it would be implemented it should be a 6th commander slot like the KT so it requires 2 clicks to activate.

Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2020, 21:00 PMWAAAGH2000

Officer Transfer Orders，without resources?Why not just reduce Officer population?

Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2020, 21:24 PMDescolata

Pop is used to tune desired number on field. you want to get as much presence as possible as quickly as possible. Therefore, USF always open 3 rifles into officer(except specific docs). Getting a second officer is 5 units of mainline. COH is balanced for 3-4 units of mainline map control, so any more can be and is oppressive. Thats why the pop cost.

Because we cannot decouple the "free" officer and tech, back teching results in an unnecessary officer. Officer Transfer Orders is literally the smallest change for dealing with the unnecessary Officer.

Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2020, 01:59 AMtheekvn

1/ then buff tank crews repairs.

Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2020, 22:52 PMthedarkarmadillo

wut?
more than all your stock armour already having an engineer built in? perhaps they should be able to temporarily turn the tank in to a perishing? like what do you want here?

Jump back to quoted post25 Dec 2020, 01:18 AMtheekvn

my answer to Vipper nerf. Good luck with RE repair speed. Crittial Repair give USF paper armor evading quickly against Superrior Axis tank, Take it out for what ? Who invest more micro shall have more advantages than another.
Unless you Give Rear Echelon real impact espect, you shouldn't change tank crews. Just let them alone.

Jump back to quoted post25 Dec 2020, 01:24 AMthedarkarmadillo

You do understand that, even if crit repair was removed, the crews would still exist AND repair at the exact speed that is more than sufficient right now in live right? The only change would be engine damage and broken guns would still hurt usf like it does other factions. If you had no RE ever you would STILL be better off than other factions as your crews are right there.....

Jump back to quoted post25 Dec 2020, 04:28 AMMMX

quick question: does the aoe nerf to the pack howie only apply to autofire or is the barrage also affected?

Jump back to quoted post25 Dec 2020, 09:07 AMSander93

Only to autofire. The barrage is meant to stay strong.