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Will they address Panzergrens in the new patch?

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CODGUY
30 Dec 2020, 06:34 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post26 Dec 2020, 18:23 PMBetterDead ThanRed
over-reliance on grens is fast route to defeat.
if you lose your pio-squad early, getting T2 would be postponed, especially if fighting gets fierce, and needing to prioritize mg, mortars or grens.

how about they come out as they currently do, but arrive with 50/50 K98 and STG44? and when T2 is built, STG44 upgrade is free for whole squad?


I actually made a similar suggestion a while back. Basically I said Panzergrens should be built initially with 4 K98ks then given the option to upgrade to 4 StGs or 2 schreks. They deleted my comment. Maybe that was too much but personally I hate the fact that they maintain their cheap squad wiping supernade even after their Schrek upgrade. It makes them still a potent anti-infantry sqaud with serious AT abilities.
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Widerstreit
30 Dec 2020, 10:52 AM
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To be fair, PnzGrens doesn't arrive earlier than Shocks do with their CP2. :P
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Katitof
30 Dec 2020, 11:10 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post30 Dec 2020, 10:52 AMWiderstreit
To be fair, PnzGrens doesn't arrive earlier than Shocks do with their CP2. :P

Really? PGs arrive no sooner then 6-8th minute of the game?
Even tho T2 ost lights arrive at 4th-5th and PGs are unlocked before that?
jump backJump back to quoted post25 Nov 2015, 11:09 AM$nuffy
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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Widerstreit
30 Dec 2020, 12:32 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post30 Dec 2020, 11:10 AMKatitof

Really? PGs arrive no sooner then 6-8th minute of the game?
Even tho T2 ost lights arrive at 4th-5th and PGs are unlocked before that?


You can get CP2 way faster. :P
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Katitof
30 Dec 2020, 13:54 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post30 Dec 2020, 12:32 PMWiderstreit


You can get CP2 way faster. :P

Sure you can, all it takes is to click unlimited resources and CPs in cheat commands mod.
Otherwise, I'm gonna go with firm no.

Regardless of game mode, PGs arrive around 1CP and wherabooism isn't going to change that.
jump backJump back to quoted post25 Nov 2015, 11:09 AM$nuffy
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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BetterDead ThanRed
30 Dec 2020, 14:05 PM
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speaking of OST non-doc infantry, since in larger gamemodes, extra infantry isnt always prioritized, since there are so many doctrines that the team ''needs''. And VSL,OSTT, assgrens etc. come in doctrines that have limited long-game usage.

So that leaves 2 options for non-doc OST, grens are meh, that means Pgrens needs to kick ass and chew bubblegum, period.
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SkysTheLimit
30 Dec 2020, 15:47 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post26 Nov 2020, 10:51 AMVipper

As for Penals they are simply badly designed and they are part of the problem.

Why are you bringing them up here? Penals have obvious drawbacks that pgrens do not. No support weapons and it slows down your opening

Moving pgrens that early was a bad idea. Stop using the modteams decision to defend the change, you criticize their decisions as much as anyone
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Vipper
30 Dec 2020, 16:23 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post30 Dec 2020, 15:47 PMSkysTheLimit

Why are you bringing them up here? Penals have obvious drawbacks that pgrens do not. No support weapons and it slows down your opening

Moving pgrens that early was a bad idea. Stop using the modteams decision to defend the change, you criticize their decisions as much as anyone

Fire and terror bring them up not me

Actually T.R. Stormjäger opened they when he started talking about "PG" as elite infatry and "Penals" can be classified in the same category they become relevant.

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elchino7
30 Dec 2020, 17:15 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post30 Dec 2020, 16:23 PMVipper

Fire and terror bring them up not me


5th comment in the thread.
My controls weren't working
And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.

Bible of Scrublord, Psalt 3:16.

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Fire and Terror
30 Dec 2020, 17:20 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post30 Dec 2020, 15:47 PMSkysTheLimit

Why are you bringing them up here? Penals have obvious drawbacks that pgrens do not. No support weapons and it slows down your opening

Moving pgrens that early was a bad idea. Stop using the modteams decision to defend the change, you criticize their decisions as much as anyone


jump backJump back to quoted post30 Dec 2020, 16:23 PMVipper

Fire and terror bring them up not me


jump backJump back to quoted post30 Dec 2020, 17:15 PMelchino7


5th comment in the thread.


XD Vipper 12/10
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elchino7
30 Dec 2020, 17:29 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post30 Dec 2020, 12:32 PMWiderstreit


You can get CP2 way faster. :P


I took the most recent 5 Soviet games to hit 2 CP on Danes casts.

1v1
6:30
6:00
4:50
5:20
6:00

You can hit 2 CP fast, it doesn't mean you would have mp to buy anything, cause it's more than likely that if you have fast CP it means you have been bleeding and fighting hard.
My controls weren't working
And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.

Bible of Scrublord, Psalt 3:16.

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SkysTheLimit
30 Dec 2020, 17:31 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post30 Dec 2020, 16:23 PMVipper

Fire and terror bring them up not me

As others have pointed out, this isn't true at all
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Fire and Terror
30 Dec 2020, 17:42 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post30 Dec 2020, 17:29 PMelchino7


I took the most recent 5 Soviet games to hit 2 CP on Danes casts.

1v1
6:30
6:00
4:50
5:20
6:00

You can hit 2 CP fast, it doesn't mean you would have mp to buy anything, cause it's more than likely that if you have fast CP it means you have been bleeding and fighting hard.


the problem is that no one will go schocks min 6 becouse of the threat of FHT, and the need of an at gun resulting in less map presence, but like always on this forum peaple compare apples with oranges
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elchino7
30 Dec 2020, 17:49 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post30 Dec 2020, 17:42 PMFire and Terror


the problem is that no one will go schocks min 6 becouse of the threat of FHT, and the need of an at gun resulting in less map presence, but like always on this forum peaple compare apples with oranges


FHT/222/Flak HT/P2.


In live you will always be short of mp due to having to spend 160mp in T2, 250mp in medics and 125mp on AT nades. As your T3 will never arrive in time to counter enemies light you are forced to either 45mm AT gun or Zis.

Yep, it's not realistic to get a Shock that early.
My controls weren't working
And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.

Bible of Scrublord, Psalt 3:16.

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FunPolice
30 Dec 2020, 18:06 PM
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I would honestly prefer just seeing PzGrens go to the T1 building and see what that does. It essentially does nothing to affect their regular timing with a standard opener but would stop the problems they cause when T1 is skipped.

You could even revert the nerf to Ostruppen being in T1 and do some other nerf to them like just that manpower increase that was tried out.
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senormudkip
30 Dec 2020, 18:30 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post30 Dec 2020, 16:23 PMVipper

Fire and terror bring them up not me


vipper my son...

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Vipper
30 Dec 2020, 18:42 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post30 Dec 2020, 17:31 PMSkysTheLimit

As others have pointed out, this isn't true at all

You are bring up penal from a post over month ago, while quoting a direct response on post Fire and terror made....

ok what ever.
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Fire and Terror
30 Dec 2020, 18:45 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post30 Dec 2020, 18:42 PMVipper

You are bring up penal from a post over month ago....ok what ever.


you are actually the one who brought up my answer to you in the first place (which also is over a month ago)

just accept you were wrong XD
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Vipper
30 Dec 2020, 18:48 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post30 Dec 2020, 18:45 PMFire and Terror


you are actually the one who brought up my answer to you in the first place (which also is over a month ago)

just accept you were wrong XD

I have absolutely no problem accepting that I am wrong, we all are from time time.

I am sure it is not worth so many post about it.

And the quote used was simply a response to your post.
:)
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SkysTheLimit
30 Dec 2020, 19:00 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post30 Dec 2020, 18:42 PMVipper

You are bring up penal from a post over month ago, while quoting a direct response on post Fire and terror made....

ok what ever.

Is it in this thread or not?

I'll ask again, why are you talking about penals. Not just as a matter of staying on topic, but pgrens don't have anywhere near the same drawbacks
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